Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. I have no affiliation with any of the authors on any of the books I’ve reviewed on this website- For for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Last Man Banging is the eighth and final instalment in pickup artist Nick Krauser’s career. The book opens in dreary Newcastle, where Nick is still living with his parents at age 41, before deciding on a somewhat surprising PUA trip to Bali and Thailand. This is an odd choice, especially since he had spoken negatively about Thailand in his first book, Ball’s Deep. Perhaps this signals a kind of resignation or fatigue—after all, the “hard mode” of banging women in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Serbia, and similar places can wear a man down, and maybe something easier feels more worthwhile. However, it would have been more intriguing for him to explore a “medium mode” nation like Japan or China instead of these “passport bro” territories full of prostitutes that demand far less game to succeed in.
This is further complicated by the fact that the first two women Nick brings back ask for money, which he refuses to pay. At times, the narrative feels more like the monologue of a 65-year-old retired Brit than that of a star-studded British PUA. Still, it offers some variety by highlighting different sexual marketplaces compared to Eastern Europe.
Indeed, Thailand’s sexual marketplace is more focused on money and status than physical attraction, a point the book clearly confirms. Various last-ditch lays stumble because of the women asking Nick to pay this could lead readers to wonder about the purpose of writing daygame reports in Thailand at all. From my own 2014 experience in Thailand, I was mostly “too scared to approach locals because I feared they might have a cock.” Apart from one beach make-out with a German and zero lays in two weeks my Thailand experience was far less eventful than Nick’s escapades described here. If this is your first Nick Krauser book, you might be confused by scenes such as him having sex with an illiterate Cambodian woman while trying to figure out if she is a ladyboy. The whole narrative can be tiresome for those not into gutter or passport game, but for fans of Nick’s writing style, it still offers some enjoyment. I however can easily see why many readers wouldn’t be drawn to it.
Are lay reports from Bangkok, Manila, and Phnom Penh useful to the PUA community? Maybe. Since Nick does still land some sex from cold approaches in this series, he sets a good example. However, he doesn’t approach as much as one might hope, and even one of his daygame conquests asks him for money when he returns to his room. I was surprised Nick didn’t target hostels, which are full of horny backpackers—a better strategy than to find local women in the nightclubs which seem to be majority prostitutes .
There is little relationship development with the Thai women he sleeps with, which is unsurprising since most appear to be involved in some form of hookering. That’s the reality of daygame in Phuket—no matter how financially well-off you are, most relationships are money-driven. These women are fighting poverty, and as someone from the West, it’s hard to fully grasp how tough life can be for some of these girls. There is some sympathy from Nick in this book, unlike previous ones where he flatly refused to pay any woman who asked for money like in his pervious book “Girl Junkie” where as 17 year old Pole asks him for cash resulting in his potential SDL being fucked over.
The Bali trip is uneventful, featuring no notable lay reports. Nick returns with one attractive Tinder match, but she ends up having constipation and doesn’t want sex—literally a cockblock due to constipation.
The book then returns to typical daygame grinding, especially in Russia and Ukraine. This phase almost seems like a love-hate relationship before Nick revisits the familiar watering holes of Belgrade, Croatia, and such, banging his rotations accumulated over 4-5 years. He finishes strong by sleeping with a fresh Eastern European model, proving he still has it in his 40s, even in today’s competitive, online-driven dating scene.
For me, the book’s main disappointment is the lack of real exploration into new territories beyond Thailand a market arguably covered in his earlier book Deplorable Cad. It’s the usual places with familiar right-wing political commentary, little originality, and an arguably complacent choice of banging Thai hookers. It’s his life, and he clearly prefers Eastern European women. I would have liked to see him venture to something culturally different—maybe Brazil, South Korea, Japan, or China. Instead, it’s more of the same, with cameo appearances by figures like Steve Jabba and insights into Nick’s personal flaws, repeated encounters with previous eastern european girls who featured in his previous autobiographies “younger,hotter, tighter” and “Girl Junkie” . The book is interesting but somewhat lacking in fresh PUA perspectives or innovative ideas. There are decent tactics on overcoming Last Minute Resistance (LMR), but not much else. Philosophically, Nick reflects on the difficulty of daygame—the time and mental effort involved—but this isn’t revolutionary. Daygame has always been mentally grueling, as he discussed in earlier works like Ball’s Deep.
If you enjoy Nick’s writing style, you might like this book—I personally do—but I completely understand if others dislike it. If Nick were politically more centrist and less of a “right-wing Mr. Potato Head” figure, he might have a larger following. But he stays true to himself and doesn’t lie or cheat like some other gurus such as 0 daygame lay Ice White, John Anthony, Tom Torero, or Michael Sartain do. He sticks to his guns, and I respect that. If you do too, you will enjoy this book.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Sasha Daygame, aka Alex Lasarev, wrote The Direct Daygame Bible in 2015. A three-time speaker at the 21 Convention, host of the Direct Daygame Summit, and an early collaborator with James Marshall of The Natural Lifestyles, Alex Lasarev built a fairly profound legacy. He amassed millions of views on YouTube through his infields and content, gained over 100,000 subscribers, and mentored several other dating coaches, most notably Ryan Black. Sasha has done it all. He was also mentioned several times in Nick Krauser’s books as one of the key pioneers of the London Daygame model, while collaborating with many high-profile coaches, including Anthony Dream Johnson, James Marshall, Liam McRae, Yad, Alan Roger Currie, and Marcus Oakley.
But where do Sasha’s weaknesses really lie?
For starters, he is the quintessential “spiritual PUA.” In my experience, many PUAs who drift heavily into spirituality end up living somewhat odd lives. I’ve always seen spirituality, in this context, as a coping mechanism used to justify failures or move away from objective reality. Sasha is now in his forties, childless, and living what appears to be a fairly mundane life centred around spirituality and self-help rhetoric. Personally, I would not want that outcome for myself. This is also how Roosh V ended up when his pickup career ended- dedicating himself to God after a pretty successful pickup career.
Sasha had a traumatic childhood and, before becoming a dating coach and getting into pickup, seemingly tried to impress ex-girlfriends by buying them extravagant gifts — including a sports car for a stripper ex-girlfriend. This lack of common sense is fairly common among people before they begin their PUA journey, but Sasha’s lows seem lower than most dating coaches’. He reportedly had an abusive, unloving mother and a childhood filled with bullying. We’ve heard similar stories from coaches such as John Anthony and James McLean, whose poor parental relationships seemingly inspired their move into dating coaching or their lack of “feminine love” from their childhood serving as motivation to get into pickup.
Sasha also appears to lack some common sense in the way he dresses . Despite being a dating coach for nearly a decade, he remains poorly dressed, which I genuinely do not understand. How can you coach men on dating while presenting yourself that way in your forties? You are leading by example, and your example matters. Of course, Sasha prides himself on authenticity, but I personally don’t buy the argument. Dressing poorly does not make you authentic; it simply makes you look like a immature idiot and dressing like that in your mid forties is just tragic in my opinion. I can’t think of what’s worse Sasha Daygame’s man bun and ace of spades t-shirt combo or ice whites blue jeans , white shirt and ridiculously gay sunglasses.
It’s interesting that, in reviews of Sasha’s comedy shows at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, critics often mention his tendency toward incomplete stories and disorganised sketches. That same incompleteness and misdirection appear in the infield reports throughout this book. The writing feels half-finished and lacking in depth. There’s no detailed storytelling like you get in Balls Deep or A Natural History. Instead, the reports are sparse, cold, and even more detached than Tom Torero’s style.
For someone so focused on spirituality and connection, Sasha strangely fails to go deep into his own experiences. He briefly mentions a few “inner game” thoughts and moves on, leaving little substance behind. It’s disappointing that someone with over a decade of dating experience would produce something that feels so underdeveloped. Nick Krauser was coaching for a similar length of time and he produced 7 books – Sasha can barely muster 100 pages crammed with testimonials – all in all a pretty weak effort.
Sasha claims that “an ideal woman shouldn’t be materialistic.” The problem is that many women are materialistic to some degree, and that is part of human mating strategy. Money matters in dating because it provides safety, stability, and long-term security. Women from places like Eastern Europe and Asia often place strong value on status and financial stability. In China, for example, public dating markets often emphasise annual income over physical appearance.
I dislike when dating coaches downplay the importance of money. Money is important to many people, and that is not inherently bad. Life is, to some extent, a class struggle, and financial success can make dating significantly easier and more comfortable. Sasha doesn’t seem to offer a particularly balanced perspective on female attraction or long-term relationship dynamics. If a young woman wants children, financial stability, and a secure future, why wouldn’t she prioritise money and status? It’s unrealistic to pretend these factors don’t matter or simply to call women prozis because they don’t have the same opinions on finances as sex deranged puas do.
Sasha also says that “women are bored” and lack “value-givers.” To some extent, that may be true, but women in the West are absolutely flooded with options through apps like Tinder and platforms like Instagram. Most of my female friends in the developed world were not “bored” with dating; they were overwhelmed with choice. Ironically, Sasha later claims women are too busy, which somewhat contradicts his earlier point.
His advice on curiosity and genuine interest, however, is genuinely strong. My current girlfriend once told me she agreed to date me because I was the first man who approached her while sincerely caring about what she had to say. On this point, I completely agree with Sasha. Connection matters deeply, and this idea has also been emphasised heavily in James Marshall’s teachings.
Sasha’s advice for stopping women in direct daygame resembles Yad’s aggressive “stop right in front of her” approach. Personally, I think this can work on more confident or conservative women, particularly from places like Russia, where strong masculine intent may be respected. I’ve even been criticised before by a Lithuanian girl for being too “beta” in my approach, so I understand the logic. However, on shyer women, this style can easily become overwhelming.
Sasha also advises readers not to become “routine monkeys,” and I largely agree. While routines can provide structure and guidance — especially for beginners — they can also come across as robotic and inauthentic. I’ve seen men achieve success through the London Daygame model, but I’ve also seen it make some people seem incapable of thinking for themselves copying the same lines “i just saw you and think you look nice” ” my mum warned me about French girls” its all the same shit being said by the same daygamers I even had one woman complain that I sent the same opening text as another daygamer who opened here. There is definitely a sense of unoriginality that comes with these models and sometimes that can really be blatant.
Toward the end of the book, Sasha gives some genuinely good advice on different types of women and the strategies needed to attract them. He discusses religious women, shy women, and highly egotistical “Instagram model” types. I largely agree with his observations here, having personally struggled with religious women and highly status-conscious women myself.
However, Sasha also argues that certain socities brainwashes women into believing sex is bad and these women can miss out on the fun connection they can get from sex I partly agree, but I also deeply respect women who choose to keep a low body count. From my own experiences, many highly promiscuous individuals — both men and women — often carry emotional baggage, unresolved trauma, or poor parental relationships. One woman I slept with through daygame openly admitted her sexual impulsiveness stemmed from her strained relationship with her father during her childhood- she was raised with her grandparents and thus had no father figure around this lead her to go on a huge cock searching rampage and made it impossible to start a proper relationship with her because she was so addicted to sex.
This is one of my criticisms of Sasha and other coaches like Liam McRae and James Marshall: they sometimes seem too dismissive of the emotional and psychological consequences sex can have on people. Sex is not meaningless for everyone, and pretending otherwise oversimplifies reality.
Over time, I came to realise that different women want different things, and that’s perfectly fine. Some women are conservative, religious, or cautious about sex, and there is nothing wrong with that. One of the hardest parts of daygame is accepting that you will never align with every woman’s worldview on sex and relationships. Many men on PUA forums obsess over rejection scenarios they cannot control — such as a girl being religious — instead of simply moving on and meeting new women.
Sasha also criticises the PUA industry itself, arguing that many coaches are essentially charlatans who have little real experience approaching women. On that point, I agree. Much of the industry is simply recycled marketing with little action. Look at Ice White for example he’s a dating coach who’s approached 0 girls in real life – something Sasha points to in this book a lot of people selling you coaching have in fact done 0 approaches themselves
Unfortunately, Sasha lacks the storytelling ability to make this a truly riveting book. He lacks the emotional depth of Nick Krauser in Balls Deep or James Marshall in A Natural History. He brushes over his traumatic childhood in just a few sentences and barely explores any of his interactions or relationships in meaningful detail. There are no detailed lay reports, and nearly half the book consists of testimonials praising Sasha, making the project feel more like a marketing tool than a genuine seduction journal.
A lot of the material also feels recycled from Sasha’s free convention speeches and YouTube content. Unlike books by Tom Torero, Nick Krauser, or James Marshall, which contain substantial original material, this often feels like transcribed 21 convention content content with only minor additions.
Sasha could have written extensively about his daygame experiences abroad in places like New York City, Miami, South America, Eastern Europe, and London, but very few stories are included I mean the stories themselves are literally only a quarter of one page. The overall result feels rushed and lethargic, especially with the constant testimonial pages interrupting the flow.
Sasha also writes in a surprisingly immature tone. While that may simply be his personality, I personally believe seduction, relationships, and sexuality are serious topics that deserve more maturity and nuance.
That said, Sasha does make some valuable points about burnout and the downsides of excessive pickup. Burnout is absolutely real. However, success in dating also requires persistence and volume. You need to approach many people, reflect on your experiences, and maintain your mental health throughout the process. It took me around eight months to achieve my first successful daygame result, along with countless awkward dates, flakes, and rejections. Dating women from very different cultural backgrounds forced me to confront weaknesses in myself that nightgame, online dating, and social circle game never revealed. Experience is invaluable so make sure you spend your precious life getting as much of it as you can.
At the same time, consistency matters. Most men quit because they cannot handle rejection or because their egos are too fragile. If you continue approaching consistently while maintaining self-awareness, progress usually comes eventually. I’d zoned out a lot in my daygame adventure – being too passive and not approaching enough at certain points i fell into a plateau which is normal but having the mental strength to break out of it is important to. If you’re a low smv individual relative to the people around you you’re going to have to approach a lot more than someone who’s high smv- pretty basic thinking but it’s the truth
Overall, Sasha falls short of providing the detailed storytelling and nuanced insight needed to elevate this book beyond a mid-tier self-help guide. The lack of situation-specific examples — something writers like Tom Torero and Nick Krauser excel at — leaves the reader wanting more.
If I had to recommend books to beginners, I would personally choose Nick Krauser, Liam McRae, or James Marshall over Sasha. In my opinion, Sasha lacks the maturity, balance, and depth needed to truly stand at the top of the genre.
That said, complete beginners will still gain useful insights from this book. The biggest disappointment is the lack of detailed field stories despite Sasha’s extensive experience travelling and doing daygame around the world.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Nick Krauser’s Girl Junkie is the fifth instalment in his seduction journals- the book again begins with a strange trip to Spain in which he bones an unattractive prozi in Marbella as well as a conflict surrounding the BBC who were planning to shoot a documentary with Nick but cancelled it due to his “right wing tweets” again I’d never recommend for any dating coach to communicate with the mainstream media – I don’t see the gain personally for any pua to do this even if it does result in an increase of sales short term , predatory reporting on dating coaches has proven detrimental to many in the industry mainly Tom Torero, the BBC Street Attractions documentary attack on Eddie and Ice White of Game Global it lead to all three being lashed upon unfairly by mainstream media and in the worst case for Tom being hung out to dry by msm , having his paypal blocked and mode of income severely harmed. Of course there were legitimate reasons for Nick to do this BBC documentary – he was getting a paid free weekend trip to London and able to rent out a room to give pua speeches and coaching to as part of this media deal with the BBC- even though the BBC backed out Nick was still able to participate in his coaching and still snagged his hotel room for free whilst successfully coaching clients.
Nick Then gets offered to impregnate the Uzbek model from his first book memoir – hey at 39 he’s still living the dream and showing he’s got potential to be offered to bear children with hot women – so for all you oldies out there it’s never late – if the Geordie Mr. Potatohead can do it you most certainly can.
By Chapter 10 a daygame trip with Tom Torero stalls and leaves them both frustrated in Zagreb ironically the picture used in this chapter was the same pic used in the Tom Torero Memorial post by Nick . The highs and lows still exist and on daygame trips if the foot flow isn’t great its easy to hit snags. He then manages to bone a woman who works as a prostitute without paying for despite receiving a shit tonne of LMR- this lay is an example of his emotional discipline in the face of low volume and flakes
In Chapter 13 there’s more accusations plagiarism committed by Tom Torero:
“Tom had plagiarised the excesses I’d shown him in Zagreb from the Black Book less than two weeks earlier . He’d literally copied exactly the theory and exercises I’d created and then offered them for free on YouTube completely unattributed and not crediting me mind you, as his own ideas. The video showed him wandering around Oxford Street with a spy-cam on his lapel as he kept a running commentary of the labels he put on the girls walking past. He explained to the viewer that good daygame opening requires observing a girl carefully , trying to form an immediate impression that produces a label, then after opening you can expand upon it.”
“Two weeks ago I’d shown him that very exercise”
“I had shown him only one five minute section of black book and by the wildest coincidence precisely that concept had now appeared on his channel, It was bad enough him stealing my material and passing it off as his own, but even worse was he knew I planned to release Black Book as a paid product. Not the content with pre-emptying me with my own material, he was giving away for free. He was no better than a copyright pirate.”
For the most part it’s probably the 5th or so example of Tom Torero’s antics and how they fucked up his relationships so this is no real surprise by now that he wasn’t the most moral bloke in there. I guess there was a lot of shit that Nick kept up with that most fan boys remain hidden away from. There are further accusations that Nick discusses in this book:
“He’d plagiarised my black book material for his YouTube channel , airbrushed me out of our shared beginner daygame video as if I was a victim’s of Stalin’s purges, caught my name up by association with his fake kiss-close video, and now appeared to be rebranding daygame as “Street Hustle”. Suddenly curious, I scanned his channel back catalogue further. I soon noticed he’d completely deleted a long video we’d recorded about the sexual market value a year earlier in Belgrade . He’d actually re-recorded the content himself , implying the concepts I’d introduced were actually all his idea. Scanning further back I noticed he’d removed every single video that featured me as a guest. He was re-engineering history.”
These episodes remind us to always be conscious and that we can get fucked over at any moment- trust no one and even despite Tom Torero’s huge marketing appeal he was undoubtedly a dick head business partner. It’s also revealed at the end of the book that Tom was partnering with a scammy American pua businessman fully aware of all the scamming that this businessman had partaken in prior to the agreed partnership – it’s clear that when you study Nick’s writing to a tee you can see that Tom was not all he was cracked up to be behind the scenes and i think this sort of reveal is really important for getting the full picture of your gurus .
Nick also tries his luck at Tinder at Poland meeting up in a hard rock cafe with his only match – who only had face pics stating he was caught “between a hard rock and a hard face” He takes one for the team and bones her anyway – showing that despite his elite daygame exploits his tinder lays remained 3-4 notches down – I believe this is an example of the difficulty the average man faces on tinder and how daygame if done right can really elevate your chances at sexual exploits. Something which online dating course sellers refuse to appreciate the success that day gamers have from daygame in comparison to online game- maybe because their daygame skills are insufficient. For example when Ice White was selling his Message Game dating book and his online dating coaching he would shit on daygame constantly despite the fact that he himself finished his seduction career with a ridiculous score of 0 daygame lays. Showing it’s usually the marketers offering an alternative dating vision that shit on daygame rather than appreciating the potential it can elevate your average man towards. Another example of this would be Michael Sartain who shits on daygame constantly to promote his social circle dating products despite the fact that Michael Sartain’s daygame stats remain unknown and he never seems to appreciate the successes of day gamers like Krauser.. I personally never had enough online dating matches to really blog or gloat any successes on here. To this day I have 1 single online lay in Brazil – I never got even in close in the US or UK from getting laid online. One of the hottest ever girls I dated was from Myanmar Tinder but that never got close to sex- despite having three dates we never even held hands – the stringent conservatism of that nation came to bite me in the ass.
In terms of business relationships this is the book where the relationship between Tom and Nick seems to be ending. I probably blame Tom for this more so from the outside looking in . Then again everything fades- one of the reasons the PUA community is in such a mess is the relationships that broke down between the big most marketable guys like Torero and Krauser- Similar sort of situation in The Natural Lifestyles with James Marshall more recently with John Anthony and Ice White which dominated the space also of course not to mention the numerous fall outs in the 21 convention with Anthony Dream Johnson and the 21 convention speakers like Arthur Kwok Lee . These “beefs” just divide the community further and show that our unity and strength in the men’s self development community was really not as strong as I’d first anticipated . Usually ruined by selfishness and greed and a lack of rational thinking as a lot of things seem to be. Despite Nick’s turgid descriptions – right wing conservative views that may be disliked by some individuals he is at least a lot more honest at depicting his results than the other more marketable characters like Tom Torero – who appear a lot kinder and authentic but have actually lied a lot more and have done a lot more manipulative stuff than Nick has and have probably had lesser results – For example John Anthony’s beef with Nick Krauser John attacked Nick calling him a racist despite the fact that Nick had many wings from multiple ethnic backgrounds -Nick then posted a blog post about John claiming he was using hookers as real lays and saying his lay count was over inflated of which I believe the evidence he provided was actually genuinely legit supporting this. Sometimes the guy who appears “more evil” to begin with is actually the honest one and the authentic guy is actually the blatant scammer.
There are mixed results here again like with other books Nick is good for adding balance showing his issues including one 17 year old who came back to his flat and had the cheek to ask for money in exchange for sex but he makes comeback later on stacking numerous good lay reports throughout his time in Serbia and Poland.
There is other wingman development here – new faces appear and Nick highlights their flaws and aids them sometimes even for free- showing that some of his better looking wings were too nice – Nick makes connections from around the world from Denmark, France, Turkey, India and USA but these individuals seem pale in comparison to Tom who despite his flaws Nick is in full praise of in terms of his wing manning ability. Complimenting his high energy , excitement – its sad to see we may not see that in the daygame community ever again. I certainly didn’t see that in wings I was with in 2017-2018 when the peak era seemed to die down .
He uncovers more scammers in this book mainly Deepak dating who had been collabing a lot with another scammer Ice White indecently .
He makes an honest assessment on the variation of success required in daygame “I’ve banged some girls in little over an hour while others took six or seven dates. What factors determined the difference? Could I accurately predict them ahead of time in the case of any given girl? And most importantly of all could I manage those factors so as to turn the outcome toward a direction more preferable to me?”
The point he makes here is that every girl is different something which I definitely agree with – I’ve had same day lays from daygame I’ve also had many near misses and some who’ve dated me for long periods without even getting close – every woman is different with what they want in terms of dating goals and their perspectives and they all react differently. You can’t have a perfect formula for every girl because every girl views things differently and that is what makes dating exciting and unpredictable. It’s also why you shouldn’t become a victim to whatever keyboard warriors pitch to you online or to whatever . Most likely a lot of them are lying , a lot of them are autistic fucks and haven’t got any experience and are just posturing online . Nick then describes more scamming experiences in this book mainly with one daygame Korean/American coach dating coach who had 1 daygame lay (more than Ice White mind) who opened a dating bootcamp in Belgrade with 40 dudes and basically abandoned them. Nick also criticises Liam Mcrae and James Marshall in this book although I believe those criticisms are unjust as Liam Mcrae offered some legit insights from his books and youtube videos that were pretty invaluable to my development in the dating process . James Marshall love him or hate him legitimately had a huge impact on the pua community clocking 750k subscribers on YouTube – I met many wings in London that were heavily impacted by his teachings and were influenced by him as an individual lets not forget his 21 convention speeches ushered in millions of views too. He had his flaws but I believe he taught me a lot and made me a more mature individual . He had a fair bit more style than Krauser too . Both Nick and James have similar lay counts and successes with both having had divorces although James Marshall seems worse looking into it as he was actually cheated on and seemingly just used for a visa to Australia . Nick’s on the other hand seemed to be a Japanese woman who just grew tired of him.
Regardless I think this is a worthwhile read just to see the sheer corruption and shithousery of the pua industry and anyone thinking of undertaking coaching of the sort should probably read books like this one to understand the amount of nonsensical bullshit and con-manning dating coaches partake in. Reading books like this gives you a clear insight into the flaws of the self help industry , the manipulative marketing , the bullshit quick heists that exist which every man should be aware of. Deep down I felt that every newbie was too trusting in every guru in the self help industry – instead of doing their own due diligence , their own approaches and creating their own experiences people latch onto marketers to help them feel better about themselves. The reality is daygame is hard- few will make it and its a huge task both mentally and emotionally. No guru is going to help you deal with those emotions or rescue you from the lows – as Mike Tyson said everyones got a plan till they get punched in the face . Make sure you work hard on your dating life because it’s a long road and it isn’t easy regardless of what any guru or gimmick is trying to pitch to you.
Anyway the book shows and finishes with more impressive feats by Nick and his wingmen in Moldova, Ukraine , Poland as well as Serbia . All together an interesting read- if you’re any level of game and passionate about reading the craft this book is definitely for you. Nick Provides a level headed experience, he’s honest about his droughts , the huge mental battle of daygame and the bipolar battle that is involved with It . He reveals a lot of the industry flaws as well as the “good guys” like Street Attractions. All together there is good variety here – despite being based almost entirely in Eastern Europe there’s a variety of women Nick seduces from chubby poles to 17 year old Ukrainians this book has everything to prove that at age 40 for Nick age is nothing but a number.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Diving straight into one of the reasons i don’t like about Sartain was when he came out and said Daygame/Cold Approach doesn’t work when quite clearly it does i mean there would be no seduction community if it never worked ever – logically speaking. He also said that cold approach would get you arrested a bold statement and truly one I would define as complete and utter horse shit – I did cold approach for 7 years never had any issues with the police and i know countless other wings that had no issues. Why would you make a statement like that and deter men from making genuine progress in their dating lives. He then made another statement saying cold approach is “dead” and “creepy” really? If it’s dead then how did I manage to get laid from it? Why did 10s of wings that I had also get laid from it? Why are you putting down the best way for the majority of men to meet women just so you can peddle your bullshit courses? I hate when coaches deliberately confuse their clients in order to upsell their own tedious bullshit. It happens a lot in self help culture and It irks me the wrong way- I also fell for it when i was Young – aged 21 i fell for Adam Lyons’ bs about him never having been rejected in his whole life then went on copy his lines and bullshit routines as a result. ( They did not work unsurprisingly)
A Questionable Past?
Michael was allegedly lying about his height on a podcast during a podcast with Rollo Tommasi – said he was 6 ft 1 when he is actually 5 ft 11 with Rollo seemingly called him out with a ridiculous facial reaction once Sartain claimed he was 5’11 during a podcast . Why would you be so insecure as to actively lie about your height? It doesn’t make sense to me- John Anthony already did a break down on why Michael was lying about his height using comparison photos .
Sartain has said iffy half truths about his career in the past which could be seen as lies – as they say a half truth always leads to a lie. Allegedly he’s bigged up his roll in the military as more than it actually is. I know John Anthony interviewed one of Michael’s ex work colleagues who said Michael had exaggerated his career accomplishments in the past – this interview has since been deleted following the termination of John Anthony’s youtube channel.
If he’s lying about such mundane shit i don’t know why anyone would bother taking advice of him – if you lie about your height and lie about the effectiveness of cold approaching women which has been around for decades and has brought about success for many men then what other stuff are you lying about?
Style Over Substance
Sartain speaks in a confident vocal tonne which is a classic technique salesmen use to make themselves sound a lot more intelligent than they actually are. He then “speaks quickly” which makes him look like he’s saying intelligent stuff but when you stop and reflect you realise its just bullshit.Yeah – speak quick and make sure no one has a chance to reply or call things out against you. The classic Ben Shapiro-esque debating move of making yourself sound a lot more intelligent than you actually are. Again i used to fall for this a lot back in the day but once you’re able to objectively assess what someone says rather than how they say it then you begin to see through the bullshit. When i was young any self help guru that spoke to me in a confident manner i’d immediately lap them up simply because of the way they spoke- nowadays I’m a lot more objective in my thought processes but I know a lot of men who get enticed by Michael Sartain’s marketing photos and fall for his schtick.
His “Social circle game” involves organising fake charity events and inviting women then taking photos with said women- I mean I don’t get how this guy can be taken seriously anyone with an ounce of experience can most likely see through the bullshit ( at least i hope they have the critical thinking skills to do so) Taking photos with women doesn’t mean anything , yes it may help on some occasions in terms of social proof when closing other women’s instas from daygame but even so Michael Sartain’s pictures seem outrageous and unrealistic- if I take a pic with 6 girls there’s no way in hell all 6 are dating me- also statistically speaking for every 12 women in a social group there would most likely be only 1 attracted to me to begin with. Also even if a woman would see that picture it most likely would seem cringe in terms of a social prove value perspective – probably best to have photos with 1 or 2 other women than whole heaps of women because it looks so cringe and try hard- most women will see through the illusion anyway. All together you are setting up men for unrealistic expectations when marketing yourself parties and videos with a lot of women like Sartain does with absolutely no context or proof of what is happening behind the scenes .
Just because you have photos with women doesn’t mean you’re dating them (sounds obvious but still a lot of naive men fall for it) and definitely doesn’t mean they are attracted to you. It’s very easy for anyone in the dating space to look a lot more successful than they are by either taking photos with hookers and showing them off or taking photos with women they are most likely friendzoned with or who have been paid to be at an event with no background or validation of an actual relationship occur ing between said guru and the women involved . It’s easy for someone to fall for this marketing shtik if they’re not experienced in being able to call out the bs when they see it.
It seems nowadays in the self help coaching culture if you “appear successful” or talk in a “confident manner” it seems to be enough to build an audience – most men who look for help in the dating space have too little reference experience or are simply too scared to be consistent enough approaching women to be able to think on their own terms to combat the bull shit that these “coaches” spew- the marketing element simply takes advantage of those with low experience or low critical thinking skills rather than showing what social circle building truly involves and thats a lot of hard work building connections + a lot of time and effort . Of course Sartain won’t admit to that because he wants to sell his bullshit courses and wants to be seen as correct – despite seemingly having so little credentials to his name and he just seems inexperienced in terms of dating full stop because if he was he wouldn’t say the shit about cold approach that he seemingly says every month or so in podcast interviews – that cold approach is dead, will get your arrested etc. . If Cold approach doesn’t work then why did Tom Torero, Liam Mcrae, Nick Krauser etc. Forge their careers out of it? If its so shit then how did these guys get laid 100s of times from it. Why won’t he answer that question? Ironically call your programme “Man of Action” then saying statements that deter action from men is somewhat contradictory to say the least .
The True Effectiveness of Social Circle Game
Social Circle is not something that the majority of men should prioritise when starting out As I said before it’s something Sartain won’t admit to because if he did it would lead to less sales. If you have little social skills starting out it’s very difficult to build social circles to begin with and I’m talking about legitimate ones not fake poxy ones that Sartain is promoting.
Using an example at university I had a “social circle” of 40 “friends” ( i use that term loosely as they were more associates) which was at a university surfing club – in said circle which contained roughly 15 girls only 1 took a liking to me and i fucked things up with her – the yield was low and the room for error was low because this was prior to doing daygame and having experience. It’s one thing to have attraction from a woman its another to develop the skills to be able to lead interactions when you’re in them . If you’re inexperienced you most likely will make mistakes that could cost you in seductions – or you might date women in your social circle and do something wrong on a date / there may be no spark- once you take an average social circle and you strip down all the women in it that are genuinely in said circle that like you most likely it’s simply not enough for beginners and intermediates to build momentum – unless you’re the highest “value” man in the social circle which will obviously depend on the person reading the blog – but there’s a statistical probability you either aren’t or maybe you genuinely are but the quality in your social circle isn’t there to give you the experience you need . Even if things go well you may not get along with girls in your social circle/ or the spark might just not be there so you need to prep for this to happen if no new girls are not coming into the circle.
Social Circles Need to be Replenished all the time
The issue most beginners face is they lack experience to carry out dates – to solve this they need to play numbers and volume to garner successes . Social Circle doesn’t really solve the sticking points that most men have which is lack of volume and lack of options – the majority of social circles are pretty static with the same women in them repeatedly – for social circle to work well you need fresh women coming in continually
In 2018 one of my best wingmen was a musician and he did well from social circle because every week he was performing at events with new women watching/ being in attendance all the time – fresh women (aged 19-23) were repeatedly coming into his life and he knew many club promoters who also had links to club nights which again would bring new women in each week. It didn’t matter if one batch of women one week blew him out – the next week there would be a fresh batch. Contrast this to the majority of social circles in University and High school – if i get blown out by all the women in that circle/ the ones i like that circle is done. I can’t garner any fresh experience from it unless a woman changes her mind about me which has probably happened around 0.3 percent of the time out of all my interactions with women. Again Im bating at very low odds here if this occurs and I’m unlikely going to get the progress and experience I really need to move forward.
Calcification Of Social Circles Post University-
I know , I know i’ve written about the “Calcification of social circles post university” before in my wingman guide but i just thought i reiterate the point again here regarding what happened to be after university ended. the women in my circles remained the same and were eventually taken by the time i was 23/24 . In fact most new social circles i was in had the same issues – all women were taken and no new young ones come in and everything calcifies and remains the same. Something which i wish social circle coaches would be honest about – the majority of men simply can’t engineer a social life where young women are continually coming in unless they pick a career niche – one that worked well was when i volunteered at an animal rescue shelter in costa rica , granted i did this for like 2 weeks in 2017 but -the female to male ratio was like 4:1 and it was easy to do well in that environment. But i’d say the majority of social circles in “the west” favour women and are far harder for men to break into. If i succeed in social circle construction in Japan or China where the barriers to entry are low for a western man – its no guarantee that i can recreate this in San Fransisco or London.
Some examples of Low Cost Social Circle Game
Traveling – staying in hostels for examples is an easy way to build up a social circle – everyone is keen to meet in that environment and there are constantly new women flowing into the circle. I had some decent successes from hostel game in 2017 because there were constantly new women coming in every hostel i stayed at. It didn’t matter if a batch of 10-20 blew me off there would always be new ones. The disadvantage was it was pretty competitive and usually a strong probability that in said environments there would be better looking people ready to amog me at any time. .
But of course the majority of people don’t have the time to lay around in hostels or volunteer in animal shelters – Using an example of why social circle isn’t good – My wingman used to coach alongside Alex Leon for the Natural Lifestyles who would be social circle teaching clients “social circle game” The issue was that the majority of men in their 30s and 40s don’t have time to build social circles. To do well in dating and build impressive results you need volume and a tonne of it.The issue most beginners face is they lack experience to carry out dates – play numbers and volume to garner successes . Social Circle doesn’t really solve the sticking points that most men have which is lack of volume and lack of options – the majority of social circles are pretty static with the same women in them repeatedly – for social circle to work well you need fresh women coming in continually . How many men realistically have the value and the time to create this? I’d say probably 5 percent of daygamers do – and even then its hard to build and maintain in a competitive city but i will give some examples of how it works::
In London in 2018 as i said before one of my wingmen was a musician and he did well from social circle because every week he was performing at events with women watching all the time – fresh women were repeatedly coming into his life and he knew many club promoters who also had links to club nights which again would bring fresh young women in each week. Of course the issue with my example is its not relatable to the majority of men reading this and I’m fully aware . The majority cannot quit their jobs and become musicians and club promoters – most people can’t afford to move their career to “girl heavy industries” like fashion , art etc. In regards to my musician friend I managed to garner a relationship with him through a pua forum lending him my spare room in my house in London for him to sleep with women- I was able to utilise my value to him and in turn he got me in the tables at nightclubs he performed at. This worked well for me and garnered me an impressive lay in London with a British woman thanks to his club network – but I understand a lot of beginners starting out in the competitive world in London may not be able to find the links that can garner them that sort of lifestyle or they might not be able to contribute the value to get them into these circles.
The majority of men including myself in most situations can’t add value to get into these high circles. Of course this is dependent on the circle and specific situations . For example when doing daygame in China or Japan it was very easy for me to get into decent social circles and find people to hang out with simply with my status as a British foreigner. In other environments it was infinitely tougher. The places where i spent the majority of my life: Nice (South Of France) , London and San Fransisco simply being a foreigner didn’t mean anything . It wasn’t anywhere near enough to hook interest from women- you had to be a lot more. In cities as diverse as those the competition was high and the wealth of elite men could really be seen simply by seeing the instagrams of the women i’d close who would often get free holidays to Dubai , Saudi Arabia , Kuwait etc. Even being wealthy and successful was not enough to stand out in cities like Nice and London which are full of high status men.
Navigating social circles also proved tough- i was able to get into one “elite” social circle in London – but the men would just procrastinate using their wealth to fuck prostitutes and 90 percent of the women were either taken or not interested. It wasn’t the environment that was going to take my dating life to the next level despite the glitz and the glam involved. Even in the clubs the competition was intense too and it was difficult to stand out despite my friends’ purchasing tables and “bottles” .There would always seemingly be some table with higher profile more elite men nearb. In contrast to places like China or Japan where women would occasionally even ask for photos with me due to me being a foreigner- the difference in terms of social circle development was huge. East Asia simply required a lot less time and effort. West Europe required intense work but it was interesting to experience the huge contrast between the two which I will be documenting – from my experiences in the West it’s easy to conclude that the majority of men won’t be able to build effective social circles with new women coming in continually – i just don’t think it’s feasible nor realistic and i think those who promote social circle game in the west aren’t really showing the true picture of how difficult it is for the majority of men- in contrast daygame wise i’ve seen men from ages to 18-45 succeed in getting lays and improving their results – i think it is the best solution for the majority of men and anyone who argues otherwise is simply wrong in my book.
Not to mention that post university the women in my circles remained the same and were eventually taken by the time i was aged 23/24 . In fact most new social circles I “got into” in London had the same issues – all women were taken and no new young ones come in and everything calcifies and remains the same. Something which i wish social circle coaches would be honest about – as i said before the majority of men simply can’t engineer a social life were young women are continually coming in unless they pick a career niche – one that worked well was when i volunteered at an animal rescue shelter in costa rica (as i mentioned prior) , granted i did this for like 2 weeks in 2017 -the female to male ratio was like 4:1 and it was easy to do well in that environment but again this isn’t a relatable example for the majority of men to work with . But as i said the majority of social circles in “the west” favour women and are far harder for men to break into. Your average 30 year old man is unlikely to offer enough value to break into these circles – and even if he does the majority of women in the social circle won’t like him or will already be taken so it won’t be very time efficient.
I still think you can bring girls from daygame into social circles with the social circles providing “social proof” it’s a good way to work long term with leads and build rapport. I used to use my social circles in london for that reason . Social circles are definitely not useless but for the majority of men aren’t going to be what they need to build significant volume of women to garner experiences especially in your late 20s and 30s imo. They are still good ” social proofs” to aid with securing lays from the maybe girls – i’ve used this to my advantage in Dubai and London but even those social circles i built were from cold approach rather than hosting charity events as Sartain suggests.
“woo” another picture with women woAH! They must be all in relationships with one another.
I mean look at the picture above- if you have a picture with 4 women what does it mean? Quintessentially it means jack shit – it’s just marketing – we don’t know the real opinion of these girls with Sartain – its highly unlikely that he’s dating all 4 or even 1 . What the hell would one even garner being in a photo with them? If i had this photo on my instagram most likely the majority of women would think I’m cringe and a try hard and most likely wouldn’t give a shit. It may even get them to thinking I’m some sort of man whore too and ruin the “specialness” of the original interaction if she sees your instagram is just loaded with dozens of other women – excessive anything on your instagram isn’t good (as i wrote before in my social media guide)
Cream always Rises to the Top – Be Honest about how effective you are in your circles
The cream always rises to the top – i say to anyone doing social circle that it’s hard for the newbs to navigate and its best to get a good rock solid fundamentals of daygame first and then try social circle . Every woman in my social circles that liked me at university i fucked it up due to my lack of experience. Had i done a few 100 daygame approaches prior and built experience over time i may have been able to prevent those failures. Good, consistent experience in daygame for men is invaluable imo and can improve the other forms of game – social circle and online game – the more experience you have the better you will be able to navigate opportunities . If you rely on social circle alone you are unlikely to get the volume you need to garner nor the reference experience to get better at relationships. By Sartain saying that “cold approach will get you arrested” which from my experience i have never seen anyone get in trouble with the police for – people are unlikely to get the experience they need to thrive in social circle and dating. Which in turn is going to lead them to be unable to take advantage of situations that can go well in their social circle game anyhow. The whole thing just seems like quasi- procrastination to protect people from getting hurt and actually facing their fears approaching by being proactive and approaching women up-front. You don’t need to pay $1000s of dollars to Sartain to get good with women you can easily listen to free tom torero podcasts instead and be proactive and consistent approaching and achieve better results without spending a dime. Investing that time to meet better wingmen which can be done for free by simply persistently scouring wingmen forums is a great way and I’ve formed many good relationships as a result without needing to pay for “courses” or “coaching” .
The illusion of success: Take photos next to women without any proof of a relationship with them then sell your coaching to men .
In regards to other coaches shilling “Social Circle Game” Alex León is a coach i’ve admired for a while but i’ve had wings who’ve coached along side him who say customers complain that his social circle methods which were similar to Sartain’s just weren’t relatable or feasible for the majority of men to do – hang around night clubs at night , go to the Maldives to take pics with chicks , get a club table in Miami and photo bomb photos with women does this really solve socialisation problems? I just don’t think it does. Especially for men with busy careers who want to increase their options – i know Ross Jeffries (whom i don’t really like) called out Sartain for phoney marketing with social circle game and Sartain’s answers were “you get other people to pay for the table and get the hot girls there when you buy my course” or something along those lines- just seems like pure bs. Again you don’t need much experience in doing game to see through bullshit and with Sartain my bs detector just wont stop. There was even a photo of Alex León on a private jet and in all honesty the women looked mid – of course its great to have that circle but the majority of men simply can’t afford or have the time to construct that sort of lifestyle and even then – is a group of Ukrainian women fleeing war on a island in the Maldives really a sustainable way to build a relationships or find a future wife? You fuck them on an island in the Maldives and then what? You bring them back to Europe? You marry them so they can use you for a passport? What is the endgame exactly? For a method that costs so much it doesn’t seem to provide much of a long term solution to men- again the majority would be better listening to free content podcasts – then applying it to get good wingmen in their cities and have consistent foundations of approaching before investing $10,000s into social circle game – arguably you could get better foot flows of women by gaming near hostels repeated or in tourist areas.
It sounds like im being a bitter hater of course – no doubt. But I know people who have worked side by side with Alex Leon and the complaints are that his methods are un-relatable to the majority. If you’re in your early 20s and can afford this lifestyle go for it- but i’ve been in similar situations and found – the majority of women won’t like me anyway, they are just there because they are being paid or sponsored, the long term relationship potential with post of these women is next to zero as they rely on whatever sugar daddy is paying them , genuine desire still needs game and smv – simply being around lots of women doesn’t fix the fundemental issues which take a lot more practice.
Why High-school and University is hell for most young men
In many ways what I’ve said about the disadvantages of social circle game is the explanation as to why highschool and university is so difficult for young men. You go to highschool there’s a set group of attractive women that usually get fucked by the top tier men and you get a small amount of men fucking the majority of the girls – so you’re essentially stuck in the same circle unless you go out and do new things to meet new women – hence why my university and high school “love life” was so poor – i was essentially a mid tier guy who watches the higher tier women get soaked up by the higher tier men and was too shy to really expand my options properly. Doing more activities as young as possible when you have time and being committed to cold approaching as early as possible are the best ways to break the rut. But showing commitment to breaking ruts over years rather than a few days or weeks is what really matters. All this is really easier said than done. Me typing out advice on a wordpress blog is the easy shit actually committing to cold approach over years at a time is the hard thing that will actually get you results. But on reflection School and University can still be painful experiences for the majority of men if they are not working on actually increasing their options.
Concluding Notes
Its fine to build social circles , especially if you’re in your early 20s. Just don’t get took overexcited looking at these videos and think that Sartain and Leon are going to give you some sort of lifehack into getting 100s of women into your circle – at least in the west that’s not going to happen for the majority of men unless you have : Massive smv v the men around you, unique skillsets v the men around you, a way or a situation in which new women are coming in constantly , huge amounts of money to invest in a social circle building (see Alex Leon in the Maldives) – be honest whether you have these or not then decide if it’s worth the time to embark on ‘”Social Circle game” but just make sure you get your daygame done first and get practicing- you don’t need marketers to show you the way – self discipline and consistency in meeting people trumps all which is something which said marketers don’t want you to know – because if you did you’d never buy their nonsense courses to begin with.
John Anthony’s YouTube channel got deleted Last week – the pickup artist who had beefs with many in the space including Nick Krauser, Alex Ice White, Todd Valentine, Simple Pickup , Anthony Dream Johnson , James Marshall, James Tusk just to name a few- im probably missing 100 other names but you catch my drift lol.
John had made a habit of shitting on literally everyone in the space with maybe the exception of Bradaicus and Paul Janka. He had collabed with Alex Ice white In 2019 on exposing RSD’s charity scandal before a beef between the two would last what seemed like an eternity. The two continued a back and forth of accusations – Alex made some fair points about John’s YouTube videos views and subscriber-ship being allegedly fake with some decent statistics to back it up – John Anthony berated Alex Ice White’s book claiming that Alex Ice white had 0 daygame lays and 0 infield (im unable to verify this but seeing as Alex Ice White has not denied then it’s most likely true no?) Alex Ice White invited John Anthony to debate on his channel Game Global- John denied it claiming he had no interest In collaborating with someone 0 daygame lays- Alex then made a video entitled the “John Anthony problem” which John Anthony replied to berating Alex for his lack of dating success – calling his dating bot stupid and slashing out at Michael Sartain, Ross Jefferies and Mystery .
Ice White Celebrates John Anthony’s Demise with numerous livestreams Documenting the Beefs between the Two
John made two videos of Alex Ice White- Highlighting accusations that Alex Ice White had done photo shoots with other men’s girlfriends’ in the promotion of his book “The Message Game” He also accused Ice White of plagiarism siting the books familiarity with RSD Max’s text game book (who Ice White Served as an Intern of) John Anthony berated Ice White for having a low lay count and 0 daygame lays with 0 cold approaches – Alex Ice White hit back making interesting videos showing proof of fabrications of YouTube views from John Anthony- In addition to this Ice white made several hate threads about John on Reddit and his own website game global before John hit him with a lawsuit . The lawsuit seemingly made Alex Ice White retract his reddit and blog posts before reposting other shit about John.
There was then a continued back and forth between the two from June To November of 2025 – Ice White mocking John Anthony’s Relations with transgender girls- John Anthony repeatedly mocking Alex Ice White’s wife’s appearance on livestreams- referring to him as looking like “Greta From The Gremlins” – Ice white hit back calling John Anthony a hamster and proceeded to make memes mocking his transgender lays as well as attacking him on his own livestreams.
The beef took a dramatic turn when Alex Ice White then used his connections at Youtube – where he allegedly worked for 4 years (whether it was here or at google I don’t know ) to prop up the case for the banning of John Anthony’s YouTube channel which he managed to push through in November 2025 at the time of writing. Meaning that John Anthony’s channel essentially got completely deleted and removed . Making this beef the first time one pua channel has been directly responsible for the destruction of another ( maybe this happened during the RSD era too Im not sure) Prior to this most Youtube Channels had just been cancelled by MSM or Youtube regulations rather than attacks by rival companies.
No doubt this is somewhat embarrassing for John who has had beef with many black pilers, dating coaches most notably: James Marshall, Sasha Daygame, Johnny Berba, Alex Social, RSD Todd, RSD Max, Mystery , Ross Jeffries, James Tusk Nick Krauser He also collabed with Andrew Tate before turning on him due to his court cases , he appeared on 21 convention before subsequently having a conflict with Anthony Dream Johnson which led to both of them criticising each other on their respective channels. Anthony critiquing John’s transgender lay whilst John would attack Anthony for his previous marriage with a prostitute .
Free Speech Under Attack
Some may argue this resolution is good as John Anthony was hated across the space by numerous coaches – others say its a pretty shocking ending somewhat cheating to use YouTube connections to silence and destroy someone else’s YouTube channel and harm their business – that being said it could be argued that John did the same to others in the space in terms of attacks and put downs and that eventually when you beef with so many people eventually you are going to meet someone who has the connections to shut you down which he did in Alex Ice White- Im in different – I think its silly from both of them and they should’ve just left each other alone- why does a dating coach with 0 daygame lays need to interview someone with dubious dating claims anyway? What benefit is it to the community? If ice white was so against John Anthony then why did he feature on his channel to spill the beans regarding RSD in the beginning- surely any dating coach could see through the bs and poor character of John Anthony from the off. If Ice white was so against John then why did he ask him to feature on his channel to begin with?
But many can claim that John Anthony had it coming his way eventually if you beef with some 30-40 dating coaches , slag off people continually you are then giving the grounds for YouTube to ban you. Or for someone who has the links to eventually take you out which is what Ice White did have – making enemies with everyone isn’t a feasible idea long term – maybe your brand benefits short term from the viewership as John’s did – his Todd bashing videos for example got him 120k views but now it doesn’t seem wroth it to be wiped off youtube completely as a result- short term gain but long term indefinite pain.
A blow to John Anthony’s business
No doubt losing his YouTube platform makes it difficult for John Anthony to re-engage with his fan base and find new clients, Ice white has hit him hard and made it hard for him to draw in new clientele and without YouTube there’s a strong possibility he fades into irrelevance as a result of this lack of marketing. Some dating caoches have made fan bases and followings without large youtube followings most notably Nick Krauser who only has 1k subs on youtube but a big following on his blog. Another coach who made do without youtube is Pat Steadman – but for John to make do without youtube is going to be tough longterm- I guess thats the way the cookie crumbles maybe he can make a new following on rumble or start his own dating blog. Most likely the traffic will be pale in comparison to youtube though and with an ever thinning community it’s going to be hard to regain the traffic he once had.
Alex Ice White Uses his “Social Circle” To Eliminate John
In fairness Alex Ice White was seen as a “message game” and “Social Circle” guru expert- he’s shown his links and connections have contributed to the elimination of his rival John Anthony . He’s ended the beef with John Anthony undoubtedly on top and has gleaned in a significant amount of YouTube views and popularity as a result of it. He even helped out his rival and enemy in James Tusk whom John Anthony made numerous videos of critiquing his infield which are now deleted due to John’s Youtube ban.
Potential Lawsuit Coming for Alex Ice White
John said he would issue law suits to Alex Ice White but it’s a threat he’s said countless times before- whether it surmounts to anything I have absolutely no idea but Im not holding my breath- John says a lot of things and threatens a lot of people whether it surmounts to something I have no idea. He has the capital to do so no doubt but I don’t even know if he has a case? I have no knowledge of this sort of legal niche.
After John was banned there were numerous youtube channels celebrating his banning- one person even made a youtube in the fake name of John’s previous channel and redistributed all materials and evidence pointing to John’s potential lies and deceptive behaviours in the past.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent – I’m not under commission or associated with any of the people i promote on this blog- they are simply my personal preferences.
I started running night game properly at 21 did daygame at 25 with my first daygame lay when I was 26 and only hit to my stride to get my first girlfriend at 28 by all definitions I was a late bloomer in that I got my first girlfriend pretty old – in comparison to others in the daygame space I was latish but still gave myself time to prove and improve myself – compared to most other dating coaches who started their “daygame journeys” when they had already had girlfriend’s or married to name a few: Tom Torero and Nick Krauser ( who started daygame after their respective divorces) — I started raw but I had time in the tank to make mistakes compared to most people who had started in their 30s/40s . The dating coaches I looked up to the majority were aged 25-35 so had spent a good portion of their time approaching too and had made the change relatively quickly. However I will provide examples of “old successes in the PUA sphere to encourage perhaps the older readers of the blog not to think too much of their dating issues regarding age .
Examples of old people doing well : There are numerous examples from the PUA sphere of “old people” doing well in their dating lives and i will provide a few now.
James Marshall
Began coaching in his mid 20s and was doing a lot of approaches , his company really hit it’s stride in his mid 30s and he flourished and peaked with his 21 convention speeches particularly his Melbourne opening keynote speech . Yes this guy in theory started young- but the bulk of his successes came between the ages of 30-40 – he is still running game in his mid 40s now and is releasing instructional content to this date. So he’s an example of an “old man” still doing it.
Look I don’t like the guy, I think his arguments are weak as fuck on a lot of things dating wise. His system is overcomplicated and I don’t think anything he’s said has ever resonated with me. In fact a lot of other dating coaches that I do like see him as bs. But this guy started old – seemingly has visually looked like a old sack of potatoes since he first started but managed to get alleged successes – I can’t even verify how much these “successes “are true. But whatever. He’s an old man that did well and is still loved and appreciated by the pua community- I would never recommend his crap to anyone though and I plan to review some of his nonsense books soon on my blog.
Nick Krauser
The man started aged 35 after a bad divorce and ending to an 8 year marriage. The Newcastle born London bases pick up artist then managed an impressive 100 lays between the ages of 35-43 forming impressive partnerships with the likes of Tom Torero- his blogs amassed 100,000s views and he ended up speaking at the 21 convention in Warsaw Poland. Despite being jaded with poor logistics in London, a bitter divorce , being bald and average looking man he strived to garner many impressive lays including an Uzbek model bar many more. He’s currently in a relationship and has plans to start a family in the future . All together he can be deemed a success for starting late and having such a positive impact on the game as a whole. If anyone thinks being in your mid 30s is too late – Krauser amassed 100 lays and 9 written books on pua – so what’s your excuse ? Granted a good chunky of his success in his books happened pre – instagram and online dating boom you still respect the hustle- especially seeing as most of his early lays came when he had a full time job too.
Nick Krauser started daygame at 35 and went on to lay over 100 women as a result
Spent much of his late 20s to mid 30s doing daygame he started around aged 27 – teaching bootcamps etc. A late bloomer and someone who has made three fantastic 21 convention speeches – someone who cottoned on late and still did well – making his first 21 convention speech aged 36- teaming up with James Marshall to have somewhat of a global impact on the dating scene . In the last 6 years or so its unclear how his dating life is going though.
James Social (James Maclane)
James Mclean started approaching women in his 30s and went on to have an illustrious career as “James Social coach” – someone who lost his virginity in his late 20s and went on to begin his pickup journey in his 30s have girlfriends from 30 different countries. He formed a solid partnership with James Marshall and Sasha game whilst also working with Anthony Dream Johnson to have one of the most influential dating speeches at the 21 convention. Someone who started the journey very late- who lost his virginity later than all the famous dating coaches but went on to do extremely well with women and have an illustrious career whilst even appearing as a dating coach on mainstream TV in Australia .
Despite starting in his late 30s James went on to have girlfriends in over 30 different countries and
James Maclane Interview with James Marshall – James Maclane’s 21 convention speeches achieved nearly 2 million views.
Tom Torero
Whilst Tom started daygame in his early 20s he did numerous interviews with his clients in their 40s,50s and even 60s that did well in the daygame game. He also had numerous wings that were in their 40s and 50s. Tom Torero did numerous podcasts with wingmen over 30s to prove his point with one listed below:
By far my most successful wings were typically in their late twenties to mid thirties – I very rarely met anyone young who was “crushing it” in the game. Young people around those aged 18-25 typically meet a lot of problems when starting the game:
They are unable to have the maturity to carry on conversations for long periods of time – harder to hook sets due to lack of life experience. What made my daygame interactions better was literally simply doing more shit with my life. The more things I did the easier it was to hook conversations . When I was interacting with women during my early twenties it was pretty hellish- I simply hadn’t done enough interesting shit with my life to carry conversations. I got exposed on dates and in interactions due to my lack of life experiences. When watching my younger wingmen 18-22 in interactions a lot of them struggled the same. They had simply not done enough with their lives to create conversations and hook . Some people say you can simply use lines and routines to pickup most women- but eventually a lot of them will see through it if you’re a boring dick who’s done nothing with your life like I was .
Now that I’m in my thirties its a lot easier to hook conversations – I speak a variety of languages including Japanese, Korean, Russian and Chinese. Life has gotten easier to relate to people due to my increasing life experiences . I believe older people have a distinct advantage providing they use there time well of course- if you spent your years between your 20s and 30s jerking off to porn and not doing much else with your spare time to raise your smv the likelihood is -yes your age will hinder your dating life there is no question about that. The problem with vague questions like “does age matter” is it entirely depends on so many different variables to make an immediate conclusion – your height, wealth , how well you look after yourself – diet and alcohol consumption , even your skincare routine and your life experiences all play an important role and if you excel at those other points then age will matter less.
How did my youngest wingmen aged 18-20 fair? The majority of them quit very quickly, they didn’t take it seriously, they tired easily after approaching and would procrastinate a lot. What i found with the early 20s wingmen was they lacked discipline for the craft- what they had in energy was often lacking in discipline, life experience and maturity. It total i had about 4 wingmen in london between 18-20 they all quit daygame after a few months. Of course its a small sample size but the majority of people i met doing this in London were aged 25+
Young men take time on the field for granted
Think having winged with 18-22 year olds a lot in London they often lack the work ethic and consistency to be good as i said before. A lot of them give up , most of them struggle to hook sets due to lack of life experience, a lot of women don’t take them seriously due to their age and that’s understandable – I think as a man you always need more than just approaching and looks. With running daygame you need a lot of consistency and a good work ethic, simply being young or having attractive traits isn’t enough without the work ethic to match. It takes time to realise the importance of approaching women and the benefit that they add to you and young people themselves simply take their time for granted too much when they were young . Even when I was aged 25-28 doing cold approach in London I slacked off a lot, not doing the complicated sets and not persisting enough at crucial moments. There has to be a degree of hustle to make this work and the older you get, the more experiences you garner the more you value your time the more efficient you will become. But that process to appreciate time and appreciate cold approach takes time in itself. You may give up at 25 then have a midlife crisis in your 30s in which you need to increase your options and you find that daygame is the best way. It can take longer or shorter for different people – different people adapt to life’s challenges in different ways.
Young men are more prone to distractions – most young people have more bad habits in the game on average, drinking alcohol , lack of discipline and poor diet. Again life experience makes you appreciate the importance of having discipline in these aspects of your life but without having the maturity to appreciate these aspects which young men often don’t you will be vulnerable to the issues that come with negating them. Like many things it takes experience to know you should probably stop drinking alcohol and approach women, it takes experience to know that you should probably hit the gym and eat healthier food- all these things take time to learn and realise. When you start the game you gotta be open minded to taking on board advice- from my experience older people tended to take advice on board better because they simply understood the importance of discipline more.
Advantages of Old People in game:
More Maturity
Older men in general get more respect from women due to their life experience , remember as Tom Torero said “Men typically want someone who is similar to their Mum” And “Women typically are looking for those with similar characteristics to that of their dad” by having more maturity and life experience older men are usually more attractive in this regard – again this can vary case by case but looking back through high school my male friends were extremely immature and often looked down upon by the females in our school who’d often go and date older men – why because these men were typically more interesting and had more life experiences under their belt and could hook them more. They could also provide a lot more interesting companionship long term – Dating older men could also be seen as a “lower risk” option for women as older men are usually more wealthy and well adjusted to society. A young and inexperienced man could prove too risky or too big a “project” for a woman to date. There is a caveat to this though – a young man might be seen as more of a “hero” going on his journey – the chance to see a young man grow and evolve is also in an enticing prospect for some woman as opposed to someone who’s fully calcified.
Higher Chance of Respect
Similar to the more maturity aspect, but a problem I noticed with my young wingmen was they had difficulty drawing respect from women due to their lack of life experience. Even when I was gaming in my late 20s I still found myself being rejected from women during cold approaches for being too young- when I was in my early 20s it was pretty hellish and really difficult to draw respect from highly desirable women due to my lack of life experience relative to other men who were in their late 20s and early 30s.
Women Traditionally like to date older men
Majority of women like older men in general – as perfectly explained in Rollo Tommasi’s book the rational male typically women date older and men want to ideally date women in their mid 20s whereas women aim for 30s-40s valuing experience over other things.
Disadvantages of Old People in game:
Lower Testosterone
Older you get the less testosterone you produce – this may decrease your willingness to approach – so if you’re having issues with discipline or eagerness to approach women it maybe worth getting your testosterone checked – or making alterations to your lifestyle to increase your testosterone level. These may include modifying your diet, increasing your sunlight exposure, improving your sleep- wearing blue light blocking glasses to protect your testosterone levels at night time and giving up alcohol – due to my shitty lifestyle at university I ended up with a low testosterone problem that took a decent 4-5 years to rectify. I gave up alcohol and increased my sunlight exposure that brought up my testosterone levels – I also found a strong methylene blue supplement that helps me well now too this has given me some noticeable improvements in the gym . All In all though some forms of game like night game which involves a lot of crap that can harm testosterone level like blue light and alcohol can be counterintuitive to your health so make sure you take that into account when picking which aspect of game you chose to “commit to” . Long periods of Night game can ruin your T levels and can make the transition to daygame harder- in contrast daygame can be seen as the “healthier option” you’re exercising more by walking a lot for starters you are also increasing your T levels by being outside at absorbing sunlight.
Low Testosterone is also likely to come with other annoying set backs like for example – less muscle, weight gain, low libido and less desire to approach and overall more beta like behaviour. If you’re in your 30s its imperative to start doing habits to improve and protect your testosterone level – go outside get sunlight, go to the gym , stop drinking alcohol etc. In order To preserve your smv and ensure a long lasting and for filling dating life.
More likely to be trapped by life commitments impeding their chances of improvement:
Typically speaking men in their 30s and 40s have more life commitments that can impede their opportunities to run game and dates- of course this varies from person to person but generally my wingmen aged 30-40 were more “busy “ with life than my younger wings. Generally from this perspective your time on this earth is limited and the younger you start game usually the better. The life commitments like long hours in a job promotion, business or kids are likely to impede the time to improve your dating life so the older you get the more you need to work on your time management.
Calcification Of Social Circles
Young people 18-25 usually have a better chance of doing well in certain situations like social circle game -of course it depends on what said social circle is if its a high end nightclub event for example an older more mature man might be more respected in that environment. But for university students there are big opportunities to run game and develop social circles- the older you get the more calcified social circles become and the opportunities to meet new women become limited. Of course the beauty of daygame is it doesn’t matter what your age you can still run sets no matter what age you are. But for social circles they usually have a set “time limit” and after 3-5 years usually they can run their course and everyone settles down and finds LTRs. Of course you can always form new ones but these take time- really any form of game takes time – be it social circle, daygame or night game. Forming new connections and wingmen takes time too so you need to make sure you are disciplined and understand the time expense that comes with that.
Time Constraints of life
Im in my 30s now there’s definitely a feeling that I have a lot “less time” to improve on a lot of issues. I understand this and even If I do improve the time I have to enjoy said improvement is less. Take for example learning a language to improve your smv- if you become fluent in Chinese after one year for example you have “less time” to utilise that skillset of the new language you’ve learnt. Lets say you buy a house and make a million dollars you have “less time” to utilise that advantage of logistics compared to say if you were in your 20s- this might sound basic and a bit stupid but often people take for granted the advantages they have relative to those around them or fail to understand that everything in life is limited to some degree even the advantages that you have compared to others aren’t going to last forever – you should utilise them as quick as possible- ideally starting pickup as soon as possible. Throughout my pickup journey I had numerous issues with being complacent and lacking drive really to pull through and make the most of my youth – It wasn’t until I matured in my late 20s that I realised I should probably not have taken my early 20s for granted and should have worked harder in meeting new people.
Certain women may reject you for your age-
Now this is up to interpretation because age matters differently to different women – some don’t give a shit – others do , others might do if there’s other parts of the smv that aren’t up to scratch . I don’t think I’ve been rejected for being “too old” but even at 27 and 28 doing cold approach I had some women flake on me for being too young- this was when I was approaching women in their 30s. So men very much have time on their sound compared to women and in a lot of cases being older can be attractive if there’s other parts of your smv to match. Often times people will blame age when in reality its other parts of their personality, smv or vibe that’s letting down the interactions and it’s up to you to identify that.
Sperm Quality decline in Elderly men:
Rollo Tomassi and the Red pill gang make a habit of insulting or degrading women who enter their 30s for running out of eggs and depreciating egg quality in women but lets be honest as men we suffer the same, maybe not in such an aggressive decline as women’s eggs – my sperm quality is probably not as good as what it was 10 years ago and it’s going to decline continually – even if I’m 33 now it will most likely be going down for you,me and every other man- time and life is finite and the strength of your swimmers most definitely is too.
The Price for not Improving
If you haven’t improved smv optimally by 30/40 it can be difficult to be taken seriously: The younger you are usually the more accepting of your errors women usually are. Although this is obviously dependent on a woman’s personal preferences. For some the masculine archetype of a young man might be very sexy and appealing compared to an older man. For others the safety of dating an older man – a man who has his shit is figured out can be a lot more appealing than someone young , dumb and finding themselves through life. Alternatively the appeal of being “wanted” by a young man might be a turn on for some older women. Of course it all varies from person to person there’s always exceptions and the more you work hard approaching the more “exceptions” you can find.
So the quicker you start the more likely you are to be “forgiven” but if you are in your 30s and 40s approaching with issues like financial problems, smv issues weight issues the odds of this blocking your success in the future will most likely increase.
Conclusions
I’ve had wingmen old and young and can say that opportunities are there no matter what your age. For those making excuses you need to look no further than Nick Krausser as the prime example – average looking dude from Newcastle with no really redeemable features apart from maybe his British passport and his intelligence and he still made the best out of it coming from a traumatic divorce and went on to succeed and have over 100 sexual partners. I assume most people reading this blog are at least equal to or better looking than him so if he can do it so can you . Im glad I started daygame at 25 to be honest I wish I started a lot earlier but I was simply too much of a puss to do so. It just wasn’t in my reality to approach people on the street – I was a lazy individual growing up who was unable to stomach the pain of rejection and as a result I missed out on opportunities . If you’re reading this make sure you don’t waste time and get out there and form social connections and approach – time is of the essence for everyone whether you’re a male 10 or a fatass male 1 make sure you work hard and persist to get the dating life you want.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Examples of Pick Up artists who were Ethnic Minorities that Succeeded in Dating
After reading a few threads on PUA forums that were made from certain “ethnic minority” posters claiming that dating “white girls” is hard as a minority i decided to challenge that viewpoint – the goal of this post is to create genuine real examples of ethnic minorities that rose above all odds to succeed whilst offering a balanced view with the struggles that “white” dating coaches have faced too – trying to create objective balanced arguments, some valid case studies and constructive critics for both sides instead of turning to victim hood or situational bias i’ll try my best.
Simple Pickup
When i began my pickup journey in 2013 the “puas” that i idolised the most were from Simple pickup – Kong Pham who was seen as the main leader of simple pickup was born to working class immigrants from Vietnam, at the same time Jesse was born to Indian immigrants and Jason was half Japanese – by definition they fit the stereotype of sons’ of first generation immigrant families but accumulated millions of YouTube views from hilarious cold approach videos with their business “project go” a series of instructional videos being one of the primary modes of income- this “online video course selling” managed to go viral and accumulate massive sales making all three millionaires seemingly overnight . They set the precedent both in pick up and in business- no longer did business involve opening up a store or numerous other sunk costs -one could accumulate sales through instructional videos instead with no need to distribute any real life products . It was the first business of its kind and many others were soon to follow in its footsteps.
These are prime examples of ethnic minorities that took the game by storm. Arguably- Simple Pickup- in Kong, Jason and Jessie had the biggest impact that a collective group of pickup artists could have had and they were three dorky Asians who still got laid a lot and had many successful infields – do i think they are “prime daygame ability” no – not at all but they proved even a short podgy Asian with shitty conversation skills could still close and get results. Their entrepreneurship success provided a catalyst even outside of the seduction realm which few puas/seducers really managing to reach beyond their specific niche. Ever imagine Tom Torero or Nick Krauser getting on NBC news or selling millions of dollars worth of product? Unlikely- they were well received and an inspiration to me personally. Now most reading this blog won’t like their silly game style and might find that these obnoxious lines would more so work on more liberal American women rather than serious Russian/Eastern European/conservative women but they showed that even with major disabilities the confidence to just go and talk to women could glen results. For people that say “immigrants” or “ethnic minorities” can’t do well in daygame well Simple pickup was entirely made from second generation immigrants and they took the world by storm and despite their disadvantages still built a huge business and got laid.
Love or Loath them the influence that Simple Pickup had was truly unmatched for their time and inspired a generation of men to cold approach.
Yad
Iranian/Kurdish and a fat fuck yet he still got laid from daygame- Yad’s notable successes included his famous kiss close infield that seemingly went viral and created a name for himself in the pickup world – he retired in 2023 but had an enticing career spanning some 15 years in the pickup game around California and London . The man had every disadvantage you could think of, short , fat and with boobs bigger than your girlfriend’s , Kurdish and Iranian but still seemingly succeeded to create a legacy for himself . He made appearances in several pickup books most notably Nick Krauser’s Autobiography “ Balls Deep” in which he is praised for having a strong vibe and work ethic. Yad went on to become a 21 convention speaker as well as making his own business “daygame.com” with Andy Yoshida all in all cementing his legacy as one of the “goats” despite literally looking like a goat .
“Kurdish, Fat and Iranian despite this cocktail of issues Yad Succeeded”
Roosh V
Half Iranian/Half white – Roosh V seemingly had an illustrious career in pickup- despite a lot of tumultuous political articles written about him regarding his right wing conservative views including a petition to ban him from Scotland due to his views on feminism . Roosh V’s influence lives on today with the Roosh V forums still active at the time of writing this article – in fact along with So Suave , Kill your inner loser forums and the skilled seducer forums its one of the last remaining active men’s seduction forums on the web. Despite Roosh V seemingly retiring from the pickup scene to commit to Christianity his legacy lives on whether he likes it or not. Still Receiving praise to this day and inspiring many to approach women- despite Roosh v speaking out against pickup itself now.
Roosh V’s Legacy lives on today despite him quitting the game completely and converting to Christianity
Tony Solo From The Natural Lifestyles
The first “ethnic minority” coach in the natural lifestyles -Tony made a name for himself with his enticing clickbait videos , he coached under James Marshall in Budapest for around 4 years. He is Short and African American but ended married to an attractive tall woman – proof that limitations like height and race are only in one’s heads . Tony had a relentless work ethic as documented by Liam Mcrae and James Marshall , doing a lot of sets obsessively in Budapest whilst TNL was based there. He then left tnl and deleted his YouTube channel but he seems to be currently married at the time of writing. A success story for an African American who spent the bulk of his daygame career wondering the streets of Eastern Europe and coaching men daygame – i’d say his content was genuinely good but he seemed to be a little too intense when teaching for my liking.
Tony Solo- Was a hugely successful Coach for The Natural Lifestyles up until 2019
Tom Torero Documentary – Full Of Ethnic Minorities being Successful
Tom Torero had numerous wingmen of Asian ancestry most notably the likes of Turkish who appeared on his daygame documentary- who had several interviews with Tom discussing his successes and also went on numerous daygame trips with Tom to other countries including Ukraine .
Tom did interviews with numerous asians ethnic minorities including a middle eastern daygamer living in Sweden. In his documentary based in Singapore and London he documented numerous South Asians who had success gaming in there – both cities which were full of high smv men/ wealthy with plenty of competition. – With infield included in this documentary of women hooking and being receptive – seeing their transformations was definitely inspiring and showed that confidence could go a long despite potential “flaws”
Dj Fuji
A 4 time 21 convention speaker , an example of short asian man who had earned a great of recognition for his influence in the game especially in the early years of the 21 convention. His slick dress and keen eye for style in addition to his charismatic stage presence made him a hit with Anthony Dream Johnson’s 21 convention notching an impressive 400k views across all 4 speeches – to be honest i think he deserved a lot more than others who spoke at the convention – if Richard La Ruina can rack up 1 million views for his half assed marketing then I believe DJ Fuji deserves at least to match that. But great pickup content doesn’t necessarily beat flashy marketing hence why people like Michael Sartain and Richard Cooper get more views than the likes of Tom Torero and Nick Krauser. I think overall DJ Fuji’s 21 convention speeches were very impactful to me personally even though at the time of hearing them at aged 20 It was too much information for me to process. When you’re young good advice can be easily ignored- looking back when i rewatched the speeches i realised there was a lot of valuable content there that had I simply taken on board properly at the very beginning of my seduction journey maybe a few of the “maybes” and near misses i experienced in the early years would’ve turned into successes. But you need experience to “realise” that the good advice that was given to you in the past was actually good advice at least that’s one positive way to look at it.
Dj Fuji is with his girlfriend in 2022 – a role model and the first “short asian dating coach” to be a 21 convention speaker and as far as Im aware the first “ethnic minority” 21 convention speaker. Dj Fuji (far right) Left the US Marines to pursue Pickup and later became a dating coach – a four time 21 convention speaker no less
PUA and Ethnic minorities in the UK.
At school and growing up my family didn’t really integrate well into the UK – my oldest brother made little effort to integrate into UK society and struggled to make friends both at highschool and at university. As for my parents they were working abroad the majority of time in the US and were just happy to make friends with their own race rather than meet others outside their comfort zone. Human’s naturally want to be with their own ethnicity and i get that,the problem being during my childhood I lived as a recluse between 2006-2011 which paved the way for a life of low self esteem and basically frigidness. I didn’t see the value when i was young in being social and making connections with others. I always felt shy to communicate with other races and make bonds outside my work/ uni or school life. Until i did daygame which opened up a pandoras box and i realised the actual importance of socialising and building connections. I also realised that my past life growing up and being addicted to video games/pornography and not being social had come to roost in my shit dating life at uni and i had no idea how to navigate the world when it came to making friends on my own two feet. Did being an ethnic minority contribute to this? Most likely no-but I guess it was more so that my parents got so comfortable with their own lives that they saw no need to integrate, make new social connections or meet new people from ethnicities other than their own – this could be see as a problem with immigration – the fact that people recreate their own “Mini world” in the country they go to sets a bad president and could be why the PUA community in the UK is usually majority ethnic minorities- maybe these guys got socially isolated from a young age because their parents didn’t bother to integrate or make effort like mine did? It’s a thought and not an outrageous suggestion.
When i started out my “pua journey” in 2014 living in Manchester the head of the sarge group was of Pakistani origin and his “number 2” was a Chinese Malaysian – but the majority of those running the game back there were actually white – when i moved back to London in 2017 I saw the PUA scene was pretty full of ethnic minority second generation Ghanians, Bengali, Pakistanis , Indians, Eastern Europeans but still a good sort of 20 percent or so European – Spanish, Italian mostly. It was clear ethnic minorities had it a lil tougher as they made the bulk of pua meetups – even my Sasha Daygame meetup i attended in 2017 was majority Benglai, Eastern European and Indians – when i went to Tom Torero’s 2019 meetup most the people i met there were of South Asian ancestry too.
In fact when i started hitting the streets in late 2017 almost all my wingmen were exclusively South East Asian – Pakistani, Indian, Bengali – there was no choice but to go out with them or make do with approaching alone which i was horrific at when i first started out- in fact 2 of my very first wingmen actually drove in from Luton to London on the weekends to run game- Despite the “disadvantage” of being “foreign” they did see some results – in-spite of this crop of wingmen being fairly low smv they still persisted in the approaches and got laid. A lot of the poorer cities in the UK can have big percentages of south asians like Luton which are just basically poor shitholes. For people’s dating life these places can lack the footflow and the quality which therefore makes traveling into London to game an enticing prospect.
My first major wings were variable smv wise – 3 south asians with plain jane lives two of which were from London they networked me with another Indian who was tall and had good game – the results were mixed but not awful – then after i met a Indian investment banker on the now defunct Simple Pickup forums – he had a decent work ethic despite being short and Indian he still got laid with Russians and Japanese women from daygame – i also saw had a instant date with a hot English woman in her mid 20s and make out with her when he himself was in his 40s . The limiting beliefs were going away and this was at the beginning of 2018 a time when online dating was gaining popularity. I still saw daygame as a hack for ethnic minorities like myself to get some piece of the dating pie.
Into the mid 2018s when i finally got some dating results i saw ethnic daygamers really hit to it like a duck to water with a Ghanian wing of mine nabbing some impressive Korean and Kahzakstani lays – these are lays traditionally homogenous societies which typically aren’t very pro “dating outside your own race” but still my wings were getting lays from them. I moved on and found some “higher tier” Indians and Iranians who also got results with Russian stunners from central London and Knightsbridge respectively . Also in mid 2018 one of my best wingmen was a Hong Konger who worked in London – he took to daygame like a duck to water having sex with numerous hot women on the street.
Race and race alone meant borderline nothing- however I can understand that certain people might feel discriminated against- i had a polish wing who got blown and called a “plumber” by an English girl – i also had Indian and Pakistani wings that did struggle to adapt at times, but overriding smv trumps all. My Ghanian wing ran his own business, was handsome and muscular hence his smv really was genuinely good- the Indians i met in the mid 2019s doing daygame were still tall handsome and hardworking when it came to running daygame they were also immaculately dressed. The age old emphasis of focus on what you can control – i can’t control my ethnicity or how other women interpret my ethnicity what i can control is the number of approaches i do and almost all other aspects of my SMV luckily thanks to being born and raised in London . I know enough from proof watching the success of Simple Pickup , Yad and Dj Fuji that there is evidence that with enough hard-work people can get success- you only need a few “yes girls” across a few 100 approaches to make it all worth it
Certain women might have discriminated against me but i don’t really know that and if i don’t really know what they are thinking at the time i can’t draw a real accurate conclusion . Majority of the time i don’t think many people cared about my “race” except maybe a couple of occasion when approaching Christian women in London i thought their responses were particularly bland overall and they didn’t seem to hook well and would like at me as potentially being “muslim” ( even though I’m atheist through and through physically I could give off the impression that I’m religious with my facial hair and brown skin) All in all i said before it’s not worth thinking about – everyone discriminates – there are certain races of women that i also never want to date purely for personal preference and a lot of women have their own personal tastes and preferences . Women need to discriminate to save time , sometimes they will make the wrong judgements as will I . If Im walking down a dark alleyway and i see a black person for example i’m naturally going to be more concerned for my safety then if it was a short Asian woman. There might be many girls who’ve discriminated against me due to their tastes – thats their independent decision for every one of them there might be others who see me as “exotic” and interesting.
White Dating Coaches have had bad Run Historically
To add some balance to the argument instead of just prancing about trying to induce victim hood for being a racial minority in the UK I would fairly argue that white dating coaches have historically had a tough run facing discrimination from the media – albeit sometimes somewhat deserved.
Johnny Berba was shadow banned by youtube – lost viewership and then committed suicided- of course not a direct correlation but he seemed to be struggling financially which could have been due to his decreasing clientele post covid as well as his loss in viewership resulting in lost revenue.
Tom Torero was singled out by the US media by Libyan ugly fucking bitch Danya Hajjaji – although the stuff that he did made him vulnerable to being criticised by the media and being taken advantage of.
James Tusk was routed by the media on the daily mail- maybe not as a aggressively as the others listed on here.
Ice White and Game Global got unfairly picked on by the UK media.
RSD Julien was attacked by the media for his aggressive pick up videos in Japan (albeit this was stupid shit for him to have done , he should never have made infield of him grabbing peoples throats and harassing beta Japanese women)
It could be argued with the exception of Roosh V that the coaches that have been “picked on” by the media were majority actually white compared to brown or black . The media backlash against simple pickup was seemingly a positive and even one at first with their CNBC documentary receiving some element of praise even in the beginning this eventually turned sour months later when a breast cancer awareness scheme made by the trio did receive media backlash with donations to said breast cancer charity that the trio were promoting cancelled as a result . Was it as much backlash as someone like Tom Torero received not so much though and no where near as negative or fatal.
Adnan Ahmed was a former PUA Artist who was meant to serve i believe around 2 years in jail for harassment charges. I then believe (i could be wrong about this) he was cleared of these charged later on. His sentencing did send shockwaves amongst the PUA community whether it would spark the beginning of the end of PUA in the UK. Firstly i think he comes across a bit autistic and clearly has a screw loose – i had a wingman who gamed in Glasgow Uni with him 4 years to the incident arising on main stream media – my wing commented on his deficiencies too so him getting convicted later on is no real surprise all things considered. A lot of these autist puas run around doing shitty daygame and then get exposed by the BBC – the media then crack down on them , i think there are a fair share of people who take cold approach too far, clearly don’t respect the women’s boundaries and cause problems for sure – these individuals are easy meat for the liberal media to swallow up because well – they can portray every pickup artist as a creepy nutcase who doesn’t know their boundaries. I’ve met my fair sure of uncalibrated puas – probably say its about 30-70 between local autistics and foreign ones , maybe it’s the inbreeding in these ethnic groups that causes them to be more autistic and therefore less socially calibrated – or their upbringing and isolation , lack of integration which then gives rise to shit social behaviours. I know my computer game addictions from age 11-21 certainly left my brain in a mangled mess and thus i had to make up for lost time. It was the shitty habits rather than me being an ethnic minority that i caused me to struggle in my dating life and i’m sure its the same for a lot of other ethnic minority individuals as well .
Adnan Ahmed was sentenced to two years in prison for harassment charges- the first “pick up artist” to recieve such a charge.
Conclusion
Ethnic minorities have long been part of the pick up communities successes as well as it’s failures. Thinking you can’t succeed because you are an ethnic minority is bs as long as you have the smv to match, are consistent with approaches you should do well regardless. Of course for some people pick up is harder than others and in some sets and situations being an ethnic minority to the person you’re approaching they may not have the desire for you but not every woman is going to be your cup of tea regardless in some cases being something exotic from the norm can help you . Regardless of what you think the successes of Simple Pickup, Yad, Roosh V, Dj Fuji and others listed should provide inspiration that no matter who you are you can succeed with the right work ethic and smv.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
In the years leading up to his death Tom Torero was seen as a controversial figure – 1. Due to hiring a prostitute for a kiss close – 2. Allegations for plagiarism in his book “street hustle” which seem quite justified. 3. For voice recording taking a polish woman’s virginity – for the record because I’m reviewing his books and im a fan of them doesn’t mean I don’t condone anything he’s done or think that his previous wrong actions should be ignored due to him writing some good books and giving good advice to me – which I believe personally resulted in me getting laid from daygame.
I think this book is great for beginners, gives good advice and is available for free. For those reasons it’s worth the review and despite his flaws I think this serves well to preserve his legacy. Despite Tom’s disadvantages of looking like an alien, being relatively low income compared to those around him, dealing with mental health issues and the disability of being Welsh (I’m joking) he pulled through to write some fantastic journals and give great advice to beginners of the daygame craft. He was also an extremely hard worker – something which I believe is missing in this generation of day gamers – his “can do” attitude was certainly something I didn’t see much of when I hit the streets between 2017 and 2022- People were either not approaching at all , stuck on telegram groups discussing approaches that they were never going to do, stuck reading “self help” procrastinating like Jordan Peterson books, pretended that they were a lot better at seducing than they actually were by taking pics with other people’s girlfriends and using them as their books for promo *cough Alex Ice white cough* with a lot of “coaches” and beginners more concerned with looking cool and not making mistakes than doing actual daygame .
“Daygame” was is an important book in Tom Torero’s catalogue it begins with a very in-depth story about his life including his earlier battles with depression – Tom is actually one of the only pua coaches to marry younger than 25 before entering daygame. A unique insight into a life which had love albeit scarcely . His university life seems to be that of the classic nice guy- always wanting to make women happy and laugh but seemingly never getting laid and often friend zoned . However it’s not a complete dry spell that some pua coaches claim to have prior to becoming coaches. He did actually have a marriage whilst at Oxford university and shows enough smv to seemingly get laid and lose his virginity albeit he marries out of scarcity very young at 21. I mean this is young for anyone in the UK really as a white British man I’ve rarely met anyone marry at 21 even my ultra conservative religious friends were marrying more so in their mid 20s rather than their early 20s.
His story then hits deep after his divorce and being hooked on anti depressants – similar to Johnny Berba he had a somewhat isolated childhood being diagnosed with anxiety and depression but unlike Berba who was an academic failure Tom was an big success making it to Oxford and graduating in biochemistry – up there with the likes of Paul Janka (who went to Harvard) Nick Krauser ( who landed a 6 figure job after graduating and also was an academic succeess ) he can certainly qualify as a uber intellectual prior to pickup he wasn’t a complete bum akin to someone like Berba who failed school and became a postman prior to becoming a life coach.
There are lays as well as failures but he sets to it like a duck to water moving on from his divorce pretty quickly. There’s not much emotional attachment to any of his numerous lays which is a bit strange as opposed to Krauser who’s divorce seems to plague him throughout his journals ( I don’t see this as a sign of weakness by the way – divorces are tough and its entirely understandable to see it playing on someones conscious mind for years) He also never seems to particularly “fall in love” with his lays in contrast to James Marshall who In his autobiography A Natural History Falls deeply in love with a Ukrainian girl who uses him for a passport to get to Australia and then cheats on him. Tom appears to be extremely vanilla and indifferent throughout the book even when he courts a 10 or a catwalk model- which maybe could be why some people regard him as a sex addict. He seems to be on the chase throughout the journals – there’s never any time for attachment or feelings.
Tom Torero in 2016
Therefore with this book what you see Is really what you get – its a raw insight into Tom Torrero’s life as a day gamer – it highlights his successes from the early 2010s- but most of these are continuous hookups with different women – there’s no relationship development akin to James Marshall’s A Natural History as mentioned prior which follows the end of Marshall as a day gamer and into a wedding and marriage that ultimately failed. Neither are there deep rooting connections like Nick Krauser’s Balls Deep nor does Torero really dwell on his divorce or failures for too long . I guess that was part of his strengths that he was good at moving on diligently but this leaves the book to offer little guidance for those who want real development on their relationships with women into girlfriend’s and wives but rather serves beginner day gamers better as guide on how to open, hook and close interactions. Its straight forward in it’s appeal which is what makes it good for those looking for more hookups off the street- but for those looking for the “next level” it could be seen as too one dimensional – I know that Torero spoke poorly of LTRs in his podcast but the fact that there’s so little relationship development between the girls could leave certain readers who want wives and girlfriends left wanting.
There is a good bit of info on entourage game with a lot of compliments towards one of his wingmen Beckster – his night game techniques are very highly rated by Tom and he clearly is a social circle expert – even viewing some reviews on the dating review website literally named “dating skills review” https://www.datingskillsreview.com/basic-bootcamp-pua-method-rob-kingy/ it’s clear that his students have big admiration for them. Tom shows a large degree of work ethic- really relentless teaching at a primary school during the day and day gaming until 10-11pm – a good eliminator of the weasel excuse that daygame takes “too much time” Furthermore Tom builds his social circle – approaching women in Leicester square before courting them at the club which Beckster works at . One time he even gets an entourage of 12 women from central London entirely from cold approaching on himself . The entourage game segment prevents the book from being too one dimensional and all about daygame but bearing in mind a lot of this was done in 2011-2012 before the era of instagram and Tinder it’s hard to see if the entourage game segment of this book is practical for the majority of readers- nevertheless Tom proved that with sheer will he was able on numerous occasions to create a great social circle out of nothing and show that he was more than a one trick pony day gamer.
It would’ve been nice to see some character development of the women like we saw in James Marshall’s book and Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation – also a development of Tom’s emotions which we get in the first couple of chapters seems absent by the third and just evolves into a endless string of lay reports – I know this is not meant to be a fiction novel but the appeal of Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation and Nick Krauser’s Ball’s Deep was that you got to really see the insights of the good women and bad women and their behaviours – I feel Tom could’ve developed this a bit more other than calling the Russian women “princesses” .Tom even states in the book that same day lays and quick rapid escalation may harm the potential to convert a relationship to a long term relationship and I tend to agree here. He gives some very important advice on the importance of building comfort when escalating and shows his progression through going thorough lmr really well.
Its clear that tom is very anti LTRs – which again is probably his weakest aspect of a coach – his advice will lead you to the hooks, to having sex, push pulling well on dates and bouncing but in terms of making a long term prospective relationship there is most likely better advice out there than there is here . I made the mistake in 2018-2019 in being too inundated in Tom Torero’s advice, being “too fuck boy” and ultimately not really developing my hook ups into something more tangible – always being afraid of being too needy. As a result the women I had sex with and wanted to make girlfriend’s ended up ditching me for other men after not trusting my “fuck boy” lifestyle and its important to differentiate that Tom Torero’s game to hook up is a lot different to the game that can cultivate proper – meaningful long term relationships which is what I was confused with as a beginner I was just stuck In the London daygame model tangent and didn’t manage the women’s expectations well – so before partaking in it be honest with yourself what you want from the women you game – whether you want short term flings or something more substantial you need to adjust your game for your own unique different relationship expectations .
The approaching advice is really practical and easy to read for newbies, throughout the book he drops good tidbits – this is practical , easy to apply advice that most beginners can quickly utilise. Bar the entourage game where I believe you really do need a good social circle to make it work in the modern world in 2025 – the rest I believe can be incorporated quickly by your average joes.
Tom spends little time talking about daygame blowouts- something which Nick Krauser and Liam Mcrae looked at exponentially to give people a realistic outlook – Tom bounces quickly from success to success ignoring the toughest part of daygame which is actually dealing with the rejections and the emotional battle that they entice. I think its important to emphasise statistically speaking that the majority of approaches will end up as no and in-between each daygame success is a lot of suffering and blow outs- so be sure to know this. The problem with “lay report” books is a lot of them don’t emphasise the tough mental challenge in-between the successes. The amount of mental discipline required should not be understated and Tom shows huge amounts to be able to balance a full time job and to do this at the same time really isn’t easy and his immense work ethic should not be understated. As I stated in previous blogs the majority of men simply give up too soon – they have a couple days of blow outs and they pack it in after a a few tough days. Daygame’s drop out rate is insane and you need to have a long term viewpoint of approaching of 1-2 years instead of just a single day or a couple of sets or you feel frustrated. Don’t expect to match Tom Torero’s results instantly – the learning curve of the first couple of months of daygame is huge/ mentally antagonising and brutal which should not be understated.
One of my favourite daygamers Nick Krauser makes an appearance towards the end of the book – he doesn’t get the big praise as his wingmen as Beckster gets however. Sasha Daygame also gets a bit of praise at the beginning for his funny style securing some phone numbers. I’d say they those three are the biggest “guest appearances” in this book.
It’s interesting that Tom says the majority of his flakes came from English girls and that they played more games and tended were masculine – I found this to be true in my daygame journey as well – the tendency for English women to be a lot more combative , the same with the Australians and the Canadians – though I was able to get the dates and hooks in the interactions the dates and mind games played on the dates made it harder to lead the situation than Eastern European,Latino and South East Asian girls. I just find in general that English/ Australian / Canadian women were more insecure on dates and I found their situations harder to read . I stopped approaching English women in 2019 after a horrid double date with 2 med students left me feeling like I’d wasted my time – I’d rather date more feminine women who actually let me lead instead of masculine English women who are constantly combative and trying to hold the frame. Such frustrating incidents occurred in 2014 when I was day gaming (well It was a one off approach in a hostel rather than proper street game) in Cambodia after making out and securing the number of an Aussie girl she invited me that night out only to take me all the way back to her place and leave me on her doorstep- a similar incident happened in Antigua-Guatemala in 2017 when a hot Aussie blond who I kiss closed in a pub seemingly cock teased me the whole night despite her being the one to call me on the phone and initiate the meet-up (i’d never had a woman directly call me and ask me out before – so i had high hopes) a further date the next day resulted in nothing- she seemed tense and insecure – i’d assumed she’d been lied and cheated on in the past because she said the most attractive thing about me was my honesty , she also said i wasn’t particularly handsome and if she saw me on a dating app she wouldn’t swipe right which goes to prove that game and vibe can make a difference – in the end i just left it as it seemed like a lost cause.
i’d had many other such incidents with Canadians and English over the years facing a lot more indecisiveness from them on dates making it hard to lead and be “masculine” in the interactions. Of course im not saying all western women are like this indeed in this book Torero achieves some solid results – hooking and closing a professional women’s English Chelsea fc footballer- so his results are there even with “difficult” women. Along with Russians, Turks, muslims etc. he seems to have a wide range of successes with different races and proves that daygame can really push one beyond ones limits.
One surprise is there’s very little that Tom talks about actual SMV, which may leave some beginners readers a bit flummoxed – Tom says on his podcasts that low smv individuals can succeed in the dating world which I really don’t believe in – I think SMV is really important akin to what Krauser does who emphasises the importance of sexual market value to dating success – Tom doesn’t (bar a few pages on the importance of style) which I feel can potentially lead people in the wrong direction . He’s certainly very focused in this book just opening new girls hooking up constantly and moving on to more and more women. He forgets to really mention important shit regarding SMV which other coaches like Krauser and James Marshall build on better in their respective autobiographies. One could say this was a marketing trick designed to give hope to everyone in order to sell coaching to everyone – and I see that in coaches that say “looks don’t matter “height doesn’t matter” ‘Money doesn’t matter” It all fucking matters and the more you have of each thing the better.
But having said that Tom is still tall , a oxbridge graduate , world traveller who had a good strong social circle thanks to Beckster – he had some SMV – not a huge amount but by no means 0 . Some may read this book and deceivingly think all they have to do is approach but I believe that’s a bit too one dimensional a look.
At his peak he fucks catwalk models, Aussie 10s and even a famous Swedish media news reporter. Showing with the smv he has he clearly has overachieved but make no bones to pick about it . Tom Torero’s work ethic and diligence is impressive. He went out every day after work whilst having a full time job for a whole year – proving that Time is just an excuse that people make to avoid doing the hard sets and committing long term – most people quit after a couple of days of game – but Tom keeps going for 365 days a year a feat which barely any of the new “gen z” gamers can achieve . Genuinely it was difficult to find someone who went out 2 or 3 times a week yet alone everyday.
But there are moments in the bookwhere he stumbles – often times being too arrogant and escalating too fast with not building enough comfort- this usually happens ironically after his most successful lays and for me I found my dates which took place after some of my best lays from daygame to be the least successful as the cockiness and ego fuelled by my successful results in coming across as arrogant and not focusing on building enough rapport- Tom is also honest about daygame burnout and how doing too much can affect the quality of interactions and dates – although the majority of men in the pua community usually do way too little rather than too much – its still important to stay humble and show patience sometimes during dates and interactions. Too much escalation too soon can ruin things – cause lmr and potentially turn “promising maybes” into “nos”
To conclude I believe for anyone starting off in the daygame hustle that “daygame” is credible reading material – the events in this book take place between 2011-2014 but I think the vast majority of the information displayed is still very much valuable in todays world. I’d say around 80-90 percent of it – its sad to see no real LTR development here or advice given so for those seeking girlfriends and LTRs as their current dating goal maybe this book isn’t for them but still when it comes to interactions and first dates I don’t see many better in the business than Torero.
The book is available free and is probably more practical than a lot of paid seduction books out there. His experiences hopefully are cherished and inspire the next generation of day gamers to hit the streets.
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Adam Lyons
Definitely one of the earlier marketing gurus in the pua space Adam Lyons played his pua speeches more like a psychopathic guru than anything else . Hitting the 21 convection stages hyper excitable – posing like a used second hand car salesman more than anything Lyons claimed he faced 0 rejection and had a 100 percent hit rate- if that absurdity wasn’t enough to put you off his fast paced talking in the 21 convention speeches was akin to hearing a pitch from a child requesting a new playstation 5 . His reviews for coaching were mixed but his back story did reel me in somewhat – a shy introverted nerd turned pick up artist with two wives and living comfortably in Texas with his own ranch he certainly made a quick buck off the pua hype – whether his ideas and principles really “lived on” after remains to be seen with his claim of 0 percent rejection being mocked to this day.
His success serves as a reminder that a lot of pua gurus are just wannabe salesmen who offer very little but charisma on stage to sell dreams of 0 percent rejection and audacious claims- Lyons now seems to be involved in ai and is living comfortably with two wives – the results are there in his own life whether they spread to those of his clients I highly doubt it. With mixed reviews for his bootcamps and products on dating skills review it remains unclear as to what his real skill level or coaching level actually was. Adam was certainly someone who was in the right place at the right time when it came to being a pua coach capitalising on the high ticket sales coaching hype before cashing out and moving to his ranch in Texas.
Verdict: I’d never recommend the guy or see him as a success – I believe his sort of scummy marketing techniques and obvious lying serve as a warning to others to really not to take the majority pua coaches seriously . Ironically when I was 21 hearing his material i took the kool aid and believed the hype and even tried a few lines on women i was making on with in the club. One line in particular “you look like you’re an interesting adventurous person aren’t you ” (that i took directly from his 21 speech) worked with a girl i’d made out with for about 2 minutes before the girl then clocked that it was obviously a line and saw me for the bullshiter she then blew me out and left me. After this experience i never tried “pua lines” again. I was actually a big enough dumbass to believe that this guy at that age and even try some of his nonsense techniques- never again.
Adam Lyon’s advice seems disingenuous – giving advice to check out other girls while you’re in conversation and telegraph to other women that the women you’re with is boring you and you are checking out other women in my opinion this in 95 percent of cases simply won’t work as women don’t like it when you “lose interest” in them so quickly in the first 5-10 minutes of an interaction? You need to be locking their focus and building rapport. Standing behind and tapping? As John Anthony says in the video it will most likely weird the girl out. I just can’t imagine anyone – beginner , intermediate or advanced would do well with this sort of advice. The last piece of info of getting in between two girls then ordering a drink at the bar is just seems an even worse piece of advice to give. You don’t need to be experienced to come to the conclusion that Adam Lyons is spouting shit quite clearly – a couple of 100 approaches and you will know within a minute that this sort of generic marketing that Lyons comes up with is full bs. For absolute beginners though they might fall for it and in 2014 i most certainly did – I can’t imagine how many people stumped up the cash for Adam Lyons’ course though – no wonder he has enough money to reside in a ranch in Texas.
Gareth Jones
One of the infamous “The Natural Lifestyles” coaches who was well known for his text game – I had a wing who used said guides and he said it was the real shit – I myself have not purchased his products so have no clue . He comes across charismatic in his 21 convention speeches although probably could be seen as style over substance with a lot of word salad. He is one of the few TNL coaches who never released actual infield whether that matters or not I think it somewhat does if you’re going to give out advice at least have something to back it by. He’s a well dressed well mannered man so he most likely isn’t full of shit imo.
Verdict: No real clue – I don’t know what he’s doing in his life now – I believe he still coaches for James Marshall Occasionally – i have a trusted wing who rates his text game book (which appears to be no longer sold) but i can’t vouch for it as i’ve not used it myself.
Richard La Ruina
One of the few “old g’s pua” Richard La Ruina who rose to fame thanks in part to his 21 convention speech which was the first 21 convention speech to achieve over 500k views on YouTube. However what put me off is seemingly all the negative reviews for his products and training which could be found here:
A lot of his other reviews complain about Richard’s absence on bootcamps in the prior link i posted under the Adam Lyons segment (who he collabed with a lot ) and his product reviews show a lot of complaints for excessive marketing and generic advice. When you look at what users feel from his actual purchases it appears that there are some obvious flaws in what Richard portrays- nevertheless he’s well spoken, well dressed , youthful looking despite being 41 and gets high praise in comments on his PUA speeches especially his ones for 21 convention- I remain to be unconvinced as to whether he’s the “real deal” based off the product and bootcamp reviews .
Verdict: He resides in London/Barcelona – owns his own flat in Barcelona by all means seems to be living a good life to so kudos to him . He’s married with an attractive wife and has sold his company so he’s moved on from game being a success. Although i can’t help but feel he made his money off marketing the “bulk” bootcamps with a high student to teacher ratio then rinsing them for cash before the next merry bandwagon of suckers comes along. His videos seem strange with women in bra’s sitting in the background for some reason- why? i don’t know but it seems somewhat disingenuous .
There are a few positive testimonials from people who took Richard’s courses in the past
Richard La Ruina’s videos seem like ridiculous marketing bs – why hire three ladies to just sit in the background of your vids?
Richard La Ruina’s Formula for Nightgame was the first 21 Convention speech to top over 500k views making it one of the most successful speeches at the convention
Todd Valentine
One of the more controversial individuals most notably for his association with RSD. However during my time doing daygame in 2017 -2020 he was an individual in which my wingmen looked up to a lot and to his defence gave genuine good advice on long term relationship development which was actually unique and a interesting perspective (the video has since been deleted but I give credit where its due)
But again his product reviews are mixed and at times he appears to be a physics lecturer turned PUA coach which can make him hard to follow. Often overcomplicating everything he seems quite plain Jane both in terms of appearance, fashion and his online dating guides which seem just unoriginal and average . I downloaded the system and felt he was no where near as engaging or charismatic as a Tom Torero, Krauser or a James Marshall . I just don’t see why women will be attracted to him other than his previous successes in poker. I don’t think he really articulates himself well or clearly and his ideas can be really confusing for beginners but my hyper analytical friends have enjoyed some successes from Todd so I can’t lament him completely as a “scammer”
Verdict: Neither here nor there , I remain unconvinced by his “game” but his ltr analysis was pretty spot on so I can’t say he’s a complete dunce. He remains one of the few remaining RSD members to be still making an impact and drawing an audience so there’s that bonus. His career outside of PUA has been somewhat of a success too – he’s no one trick pony akin to Johnny Berba he still has some clear skills outside of pickup especially in the poker scene
Sadia Khan
If there’s ever an example of style over substance then Sadia Khan is it. Bursting onto the scene with her non existent qualifications , a charismatic sales vocal tonne that made her sound a lot more intelligent than she actually is charging a whooping £8000 an hour to other women for a one hour coaching sessions . She then became a key note speaker at the London health optimisation summit just showing how simply being good looking and slinging generic self help phrases can propel a career. She also went on podcasts with famous YouTube celebrities such as Mike Thurston.
Sadia Khan at the London health optimisation summit in 2024
What ensued later on however was allegations of her sending threatening instagram voice notes to users who’d called her out on her bs whilst sometimes even calling them on instagram chat using the voice call option- seemingly bizarre behaviour . Before an allegation that she had slept with a client’s fiancé started roughly 4 days ago at the time of writing this . Despite spending the bulk of her interviews and lectures complaining about the poor etiquette of current women in todays world she was unable to really follow any of her actions with real self accountability at all. Proving to be just another self help – high ticket guruing type of individual. Look pretty , say a few colloquialisms, use your British vocal tonne to act like you’re a lot more intelligent then you actually are then seemingly enjoy the fruits of your labour through high ticket speaking events like the London Health Optimisation summit where your fandom will revel in you without really knowing why they do.
Further evidence pointed out just days later from the leaked WhatsApp messages pointing to potentially faking degree qualifications showcasing that she was never actually a qualified psychologist to begin with. She denied all claims claiming the WhatsApp messages were fake ai but further evidence suggested otherwise.
Proof of Sadia Khan’s faked qualifications and allegations she slept with a client’s fiance
Verdict: It’s tough to see where she even bounces make from here – having voice note proof that you’ve fucked one of your client’s fiancé is a breach of trust that will be near on impossible to come back from. With a lot of videos being made of her it seems that her narcissism and fake persona has finally gotten the better of her. You either die a hero or you live long enough to be the villain 😉
Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent
Nick Krauser :
The dating coach from Newcastle- United Kingdom Nick Krauser has been a prominent daygamer he’s published numerous books roughly around 5 (maybe incorrect) has spoken at the 21 convention and was one of the pioneers in the London daygame model. He has since transitioned to be gaming for a “wife material” woman citing in a 2018 interview with Rollo Tomassi that he wanted to have children and a legacy. Nick was a close associate of Tom Torero when the two had a feud over plagiarised material and alleged dodgy payed actor kiss closed infield which ended up in them no longer speaking to one another – the feud continued till Tom’s suicide in late 2021. Nick lead the mourning for Tom however arranging his memorial for Tom in early 2022.
Nick was mentioned in the Rational Male’s book “ The Player’s Handbook” as one of the best daygame coaches out there – Nick has had a close relationship with Rollo being one of the only “puas” that Rollo has interviewed on his channel – Nick has had feuds with John Anthony in the past with allegations of exaggerated lay reports with Nick claiming that John Anthony’s lack statistical truth https://krauserpua.com/2018/09/10/jmulv-is-a-fraud-obviously/
Nick Krauser has also lashed out against “The Natural Lifestyles” in his blogs and in his speeches calling their game shit and giving a negative review of James Marshall ” The Marshall Meditation” product.
Nick Krauser’s speech at the 21 convention
John hit back claiming Nick is a massive racist and has a “low laycount” . Nick’s appeal as an average Joe from Newcastle and someone who started daygame relatively late at aged 34 after a divorce with a Japanese wife of 8 years shows that even those past their prime can still resurrect and have a fantastic dating career. Nick emphasises heavily on the importance of SMV and that game will only get you a few points above your current smv – the two need to be done in conjunction to each other and not independently
Nick Krauser’s interview with Rollo Tomassi
As of time of writing Nick is currently resuming coaching – you can find him here at :
He is also in a LTR and currently spends his free time studying languages and is currently working on his final memoire .
Find out More about Nick Krauser Here : https://krauserpua.com/ his blog covers daygame, pua culture,
Verdict : He had a huge impact- even to this day I believe his 21 convention speech and numerous London sarge speeches are some of the best a beginner can watch . His books are decent too and well worth a read for those looking to take daygame more seriously. He is currently in a LTR and still coaching so he seems to be having some success at the time of writing
Roosh V
Another seemingly competent day gamer turned religious vodo guy- you can’t underestimate the impact Roosh V had on the daygame world – forums still exist in his name and are still active to this day. In terms of active legacy there’s few that can match Roosh V. Although things took a turn for the worst when he turned into a strict religious vodo Christian after his sister’s death. An example along with Sasha Daygame of dating coaches turning their back on dating and instead heading down a spiritual path . Using religion perhaps as a coping mechanism for life’s challenges . I think he deserved more praise then he actually got – often used as an example of “Doing too much game’ which I disagree- as game made this guy famous if it wasn’t for game we wouldn’t know who he is .He did a clearly did a good job but his sister’s death took it’s toll on him and I blame that rather than pickup for his reasonings on giving up on the dating scene. Seemingly attacked by British media for his right wing tradiotionalist anti- feminist views (i’d argue unfairly) again another example of British and American media going all out to destabilise anyone who tries to make dating content with a petition in Scotland even calling for him to be banned from entering the country. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35474206
Verdict: His forums are still active- to this day which is rare in pickup as the majority of dating Facebook communities, forums, telegram groups are now dead. He clearly had a major influence on the men’s dating world even today – when other forums like Pua-Forum, Simple Pickup died the people who were inspired by Roosh V have continued his legacy nonetheless. He’s a success in my eyes – maybe he doesn’t care anymore but I can’t lament him for what he achieved in the past .
A pickup Telegram Group that originated in London and was victim of a mass media cancel culture brigade – despite the owner Alex Ice white seemingly doing not much wrong himself. With the group having only 5k YouTube subscribers at the time of the attack: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9729855/British-childrens-author-Game-Global-social-network-pick-artists.html now at time of writing 15k it shows how the media even comes ever after small fish – compared to Torero’s 80k or Simple Pickup’s near one million at the time of their respective media crusade attacks or Johnny Berba’s 35k at the time of his shadow banning 5k was a poultry in comparison but the British media are seemingly out for blood now and will attack anyone with even the smallest of influences.
This unfair media crusade showed that even being even a small time dating coach can leave you in a vulnerable position , dating coaches are easy pickings for a media that seems content on click bait titles and half truths. They got unfairly done In – and it’s interesting to see if any of the members will have their careers f’ed up in the future as a result of what happened – ( having their real names leaked to the media virally surely will be a blow to them long term if any of them chose to leave the pickup place) . The group said to be encouraging rape culture- but Alex Ice white himself has 0 daygame lays so I don’t know how you can consider someone who clearly has no game as a sex pest or rapist . The alleged accusations of the daily mail article held only a few quotes from people posting in the group especially with Ice himself having slept with so few women and done so little in terms of cold approach it’s hard to see how he’s guilty . So again it’s very difficult to ascertain the validity of any of it – anyway game global got burnt in articles written across 4 different UK newspapers . Controlling 100s of telegram groups it’s hard to moderate what people say on there and even if people don’t say bad shit the media will most likely reframe things to make those who speak a lot worse than they actually are. Especially in a PUA context .
John Anthony Exposed Ice White for 0 lays and having pictures of women he did sleep with as part of his book’s marketing
Alex Ice White got into a conflict with John Anthony afterwards in which Ice got humiliated and outed for having done 0 cold approaches despite him selling dating courses by John – a pretty big blow for someone who seems an obvious fraud once the information leaked out . Alex Ice White and John Anthony originally had a good relationship with Ice seemingly sucking up to him by leaking RSD “truth bombs” on a live. Ice White’s game global emailed John Anthony asking for an interview with John himself showing the evidence – John declined – After Ice white asked his coaching panel about John Anthony and made a video judging him John then threatened Ice with a law suit.
Alex Ice White was hung out to dry by mainstream media and also critiqued heavily by John Anthony who stated he dressed like shit, 0 cold approach lays and had an ugly wife
John also attacked Ice White for allegedly taking photos with women who he wasn’t dating and posting them in his game global website and Message Game – whilst this is nothing new in the pua space with numerous other gurus doing something similar – take for example Michael Sartain who organises photo bombing events for his clients , Tom Torero who did fake kisses closes and Rsd Max who hired broke Ukrainian women to be in his vlogging videos to make himself look like much more of a player than he actually was .
Ice White hit back attacking John’s YouTube viewerships and calling it allegedly fake. Ice white proceeded to slander John posting a huge array of evidence on his game global blog and YouTube then he spammed the links over reddit feminist reddit forums and pua discussion groups referring to John Anthony’s previous court cases and dodgy YouTube viewership stats in an attempt to damage his image.
John Anthony Filed a Lawsuit Against Ice White’s accusations that John had sex with 4 trannies – Ice White immediately pussied and deleted the content he made against him
John hit back with a lawsuit threat and Ice pussied out and retracted the blog- John made two exposes videos on Ice one which was removed due a privacy complaint the other has stayed up in certain locations on YouTube (despite Ice claiming both had been taken down they still can be viewed outside of the UK) – the YouTube videos pointed to Alex Ice White’s apparent plagiarism of RSDMax’s text game book – with allegedly similar lines being used in Alex Ice White’s the message game , John then attacked Alex Ice white’s poor dress and 0 daygame lays pretty much humiliating the guy and also caused his wife “greta from the gremlins” and referred to the fact that Alex Ice white hadn’t had sex with attractive women – Ice white continues to attack John to this day in numerous videos referring to him as a troll and a hamster- John continues to also mock Ice White’s 0 daygame lays and lack of experience to this day even in his lifestreams.
In fairness Alex Ice White has made a decent comeback though – he reached 15k subs on the game global channel despite being targeted by mainstream media – which in todays era of PUA tomfoolery is a pretty decent achievement as most men’s dating channels either face some inherit issues of shadow banning and diminished revenues see- 21 Convention, Johnny Berba , John Anthony, Tom Torero’s YouTube channels all examples of channels that faced restrictions on YouTube either on the diminishment of monetary ad revenue or out and out deletion of certain pua related content. He also organised the live stream debate of Ross Jefferies and Mystery – the stream reached 55k views as far as I am aware that was the largest viewed live “pua” stream of 2024 men’s dating content far surpassing even 21 convention videos and Rollo Tomassi streams (in 2024 only mind you) Had these streams been made 10 years ago he’d probably be sitting on larger viewership.
Ice white also has been in conflict with James Tusk- calling out James for charging for a wingman group – despite Ice White’s 0 daygame lays he still seemingly finds grounds to attack other daygamers which I found odd as why bother when you yourself are so inexperienced? James Tusk seemingly ignored this trolling .
Verdict – Considering Game Global got unfairly hung out to dry for the media it could be seen as failure in terms of the negative media attention . I mean even the small groups and communities can’t catch a break no doubt those involved will have their careers affected long after they leave “the game” I don’t know what they were thinking having so many groups with the media circus that surrounds PUA both Game Global and Tom Torero should’ve been more discreet . Nevertheless their content continues to get views and their subscribers have climbed since -surpassing 15k at the time of this blog – despite the media resentment they have recovered somewhat. They also (as mentioned before) managed to have one of the debates of 2024 between Mysery and Ross Jeffries. I hope their YouTube monetary success overrides their unfair humiliation they refused in the British media – with the majority of pickup channels like Alex from playing with fire, 21 convention and John Anthony’s having their videos demonetised
English though born and raised originally in Hong Kong and was mentored by Tom Torero James Tusk was an example of a good looking guy who was humble enough to take the plunge into doing daygame think of him as the polar opposite of Yad . Admired for his honesty and hard work as well as his adventurous attitude doing daygame in a variety of nations from Serbia to Venezuela- Mexico to Brazil . James Tusk was mentioned in addition to Nick Krauser as one of the best coaches to learn daygame from in Rollo Tomassi’s The Rational Male- The Player’s Handbook book – James Tusk has similarly praised Rollo and called The Rational Male one of the most essential book for beginner day gamers to read.
His coaching has – at times been the subject of scrutiny – with one infield of him telling a 19 year old autistic student called Andre wearing a reebok backpack to approach a Belgian model – the Autistic student then asks in a serious tonne to the woman “is Belgium in Europe” in all honesty someone with that lack of life experience , knowledge and retardations should probably be doing other things first instead of game- from this infield which is now deleted his seeming inability as a coach to differentiate between obviously severely autistic clients is just a shame really and an example of a coach not really reading the weaknesses of their students. For someone so long in the game he should probably know better.
Tusk has had his conflicts too both with Alex Ice White and John Anthony – with Alex Ice White accusing Tusk of overcharging clients for wingmen groups- Tusk didn’t respond to this despite “0 daygame lay” Alex Ice White publicly attacking him twice a brave act for someone with 0 daygame lays but whatever — John Anthony then critiqued Tusk’s infield even though both of them seem to have a similar ratio of blow outs, James Tusk then challenged Anthony to a daygame competition on his YouTube comments which John Anthony didn’t respond to .
Tusk also had some quite bizarre stories one in which he was daygaming in Thailand and bought back a girl to his crib who turned out to have a cock – such a story would definitely traumatise me if it happened- and really does a guy as good looking as Tusk really need gutter ball Thai trannies or impoverished Venezuelans the whole predicament seemed pretty strange to me . For someone with decent status and looks to go to Venezuela , Mexico ,Thailand seems a bit overkill but each to his own- maybe Latin America is the best opportunity for his clients to get laid which is fair enough – I know The Natural Lifestyles spent a long time in Eastern Europe and Tom Torero and Krauser spent long periods gaming in Eastern Europe I m sure there respective
Verdict : Despite being good looking and an obvious ladies man its clear he does lack some degree of common sense when it comes to coaching clients- I still see him as a successful pickup artist with no ego but not so much a good coach in my eyes at least (for those who care and most probably don’t give a shit ).
Find out more about James Tusk here: jamestusk.com
Dating Blogger Andrew the Private man rose to prominence blogging around 2010 he was the first dating coach of the 21 convention to actually die in fact I recall he died the same year of his speech from eye cancer. Still his speech was well received and his blog is still up today. I personally enjoyed it though disagreed that online was the best way to meet women – I have to say for it’s easily daygame for me personally.
Verdict: A strong personality and well received speech – Andrew will be missed. Although he didn’t really offer much advice in terms of daygame he still had some good early “red pill” insights.
Anthony Dream Johnson has had an undoubted massive impact on the manosphere- if you’re part of the PUA space then most likely you’ve most likely watched a 21 convention speech at some point in time. Originally started in 2009 as the “under 21 convention” whilst Anthony was studying business at university – he made the local student newspaper as the only one of his business course to actually start a business- since then he’s had over 500k subs for the 21 convention and hosted it in numerous countries from Australia, Sweden , Germany, UK, USA and Poland (and others I’ve probably forgotten ) 21 convention speeches were always used as the bread and butter to inspire day gamers I winged with – most notably James Marshall, Liam Mcrae, Dj Fuji , Tom Torero and Nick Krauser but there were others too.
For men’s seduction I see nothing having a bigger impact than that of the 21 convention speeches- the speeches alone which set careers and companies alight- most notably James Marshall’s whose The Natural Lifestyles company flourished after his opening keynote address speech in Australia went viral as well as his speech in London. Richard La Ruina was the first person to amass over 500k views which also contributed to a lot of his coaching success in the 2010s . This set the precedent for the company hitting 7 figures- one of the watchers of the speeches – Alex Leon then was inspired to work for James from watching his 21 convention contributions alone. He now since been made James Marshall’s main executive coach of the natural lifestyles.
Johnson has received some criticism of speakers most notably for having John Anthony as a speaker who’s speech remains the highest YouTube “Disliked” speech of the 21 convention to date . The speech drew criticism from viewers claiming that John Anthony’s spreads lies regading his lay count and that counting trans gender lays as part of his “lay count” was disingenuous once Johnson found out about this he released videos mocking John Anthony for his tranny lays John Anthony then issued Johnson with legal threats which Johnson ignored. John Anthony then mocked Johnson for marrying a prostitute and stated that the 21 convention had more speakers than attendees.
Anthony Johnson makes a Video mocking John Anthony’s
Johnson has had feuds with a lot of the past speakers most notably AJA Cortes, Arthur Kwon Lee, Jeff Younger , Adam Lyons, Rollo Tomassi , Richard Cooper and of course John Anthony .With all these conflicts its unknown whether the convention will return next year but with all the disputes in the manosphere its hard to see if it will ever be like the “good old days” of 2010-2017 .
Anthony is married now with a daughter – so unlike most pua coaches he has a family now and is progressing in life- he suffered great setbacks including the death of his father and losing a best friend at aged 21 due to bone cancer- his resilience is definitely admirable and if it wasn’t for him Im sure a good percentage of the speakers at the conventions wouldn’t have sustained their careers for so long. He a still active today even recently collaborating with my favourite dating coach James Marshall.
Verdict: Huge influence , millions of views for top men’s content what’s not to like? He might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he definitely brought the community together and created immense value for all men’s dating self development enthusiasts. You can’t think of anyone in the dating space that has given so much stage time to so many dating coaches. Without him you wonder how many of these coaches would’ve faired on their own. I don’t think the likes of James Marshall, Dj Fuji, Richard Cooper et.al would have the following without Johnson’s help. Even despite marrying and divorcing a prostitute Johnson has shown extreme resilience to come back from this and marry again. Perhaps critics could argue that he was wrong to post so many political viewpoints on his youtube channel and maybe he didn’t do proper enough due diligence on some speakers like John Anthony. But overall there are definitely more pluses than minuses with him .
