• Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent

    In the years leading up to his death Tom Torero was seen as a controversial figure – 1. Due to hiring a prostitute for a kiss close – 2. Allegations for plagiarism in his book “street hustle” which seem quite justified. 3. For voice recording taking a polish woman’s virginity – for the record because I’m reviewing his books and im a fan of them doesn’t mean I don’t  condone anything he’s done or think that his previous wrong actions should be ignored due to him writing some good books and giving good advice to me – which I believe personally resulted in me getting laid from daygame.

    I think this book is great for beginners, gives good advice and is available for free. For those reasons it’s worth the review and despite his flaws I think this serves well to preserve his legacy.   Despite Tom’s disadvantages of looking like an alien, being relatively low income compared to those around him, dealing with mental health issues and the disability of being Welsh (I’m joking)  he pulled through  to write some fantastic journals and give great advice to beginners of the daygame craft.  He was also an extremely hard worker – something which I believe is missing in this generation of day gamers – his “can do” attitude was certainly something I didn’t see much of when I hit the streets between 2017 and 2022- People were either not approaching at all , stuck on telegram groups discussing approaches that they were never going to do, stuck reading “self help”  procrastinating like Jordan Peterson books, pretended that they were a lot better at seducing than they actually were by taking pics with other people’s girlfriends and using them as their books for promo *cough Alex Ice white cough* with a lot of “coaches” and beginners more concerned with looking cool and not making mistakes than doing actual daygame  .

    “Daygame” was is an important book  in Tom Torero’s catalogue  it begins with a very in-depth story about his life including his earlier battles with depression – Tom is actually one of the only pua coaches to marry younger than 25 before entering daygame. A unique insight into a life which had love albeit scarcely . His university life seems to be that of the classic nice guy- always wanting to make women happy and laugh but seemingly never getting laid and often friend zoned . However it’s not a complete dry spell that some pua coaches claim to have prior to becoming coaches. He did actually have a marriage whilst at Oxford university and shows enough smv to seemingly get laid and lose his virginity albeit he marries out of scarcity very young at 21.  I mean this is young for anyone in the UK really as a white British man I’ve rarely met anyone marry at 21 even my ultra conservative religious friends were marrying more so in their mid 20s rather than their early 20s.

    His story then hits deep after his divorce and being hooked on anti depressants – similar to Johnny Berba he had a somewhat isolated childhood being diagnosed with anxiety and depression but unlike Berba who was an academic failure Tom was an big success making it to Oxford and graduating in biochemistry – up there with the likes of Paul Janka  (who went to Harvard)  Nick Krauser ( who landed a 6 figure job after graduating and also was an academic succeess ) he can certainly qualify as a uber intellectual prior to pickup he wasn’t a complete bum akin to someone like Berba who failed school and became a postman prior to becoming a life coach.  

    There are lays as well as failures but he sets to it like a duck to water moving on from his divorce pretty quickly. There’s not much emotional attachment to any of his numerous lays which is a bit strange as opposed to Krauser who’s divorce seems to plague him throughout his journals ( I don’t see this as a sign of weakness by the way – divorces are tough and its entirely understandable to see it playing on someones conscious mind for years) He also never seems to particularly “fall in love” with his lays in contrast  to James Marshall who In his autobiography  A Natural History Falls deeply in love with a Ukrainian girl who uses him for a passport to get to Australia and then cheats on him.  Tom appears to be extremely vanilla and indifferent  throughout the book even when he courts a 10 or a catwalk model- which  maybe could be why some people regard him as a sex addict.  He seems to be on the chase throughout the journals – there’s never any time for attachment or feelings.

    Tom Torero in 2016

    Therefore with this book what you see Is really what you get – its a raw insight into Tom Torrero’s life as a day gamer – it highlights his successes from the early 2010s- but most of these are continuous hookups with different women – there’s no relationship development akin to James Marshall’s A Natural History  as mentioned prior which follows the end of Marshall as a day gamer and into a wedding and marriage that ultimately failed. Neither are there deep rooting connections like Nick Krauser’s Balls Deep nor does Torero really dwell on his divorce or failures for too long . I guess that was part of his strengths that he was good at moving on diligently but this leaves the book to offer little guidance for those who want real development on their relationships with women into girlfriend’s and wives but rather serves beginner day gamers better as guide on how to open, hook and close interactions. Its straight forward in it’s appeal which is what makes it good for those looking for more hookups off the street- but for those looking for the “next level” it could be seen as too one dimensional – I know that Torero spoke poorly of LTRs in his podcast but the fact that there’s so little relationship development between the girls could leave certain readers who want wives and girlfriends left wanting.

    There is a good bit of info on entourage game with a lot of compliments towards one of his wingmen Beckster – his night game techniques are very highly rated by Tom and he clearly is a social circle expert – even viewing some reviews on the dating review website literally named  “dating skills review”  https://www.datingskillsreview.com/basic-bootcamp-pua-method-rob-kingy/ it’s clear that his students have big admiration for them. Tom shows a large degree of work ethic- really relentless teaching at a primary school  during the day and day gaming until 10-11pm – a good eliminator of the weasel excuse that daygame takes “too much time” Furthermore Tom builds his social circle – approaching women in Leicester square before courting them at the club which Beckster works at . One time he even gets an entourage of 12 women  from central London entirely from cold approaching on himself . The entourage game segment prevents the book from being too one dimensional and all about daygame but bearing in mind a lot of this was done in 2011-2012 before the era of instagram and Tinder it’s hard to see if the entourage game segment of this book is practical for the majority of readers- nevertheless Tom proved that with sheer will he was able on numerous occasions to create a great social circle out of nothing and show that he was more than a one trick pony day gamer. 

    It would’ve been nice to see some character development of the women like we saw in James Marshall’s book and Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation  – also a development of Tom’s emotions which we get in the first couple of chapters seems absent by the third and just evolves into a endless string of lay reports – I know this is not meant to be a fiction novel but the appeal of Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation and Nick Krauser’s Ball’s Deep was that you got to really see the insights of the good women and bad women and their behaviours – I feel Tom could’ve developed this a bit more other than calling the Russian women “princesses”  .Tom even states in the book that same day lays and quick rapid escalation may harm the potential to convert a relationship to a long term relationship and I tend to agree here. He gives some very important advice on the importance of building comfort when escalating and shows his progression through going thorough lmr really well. 

     Its clear that tom is very anti LTRs –  which again is probably his weakest aspect of a coach – his advice will lead you to the hooks, to having sex, push pulling well on dates and bouncing  but in terms of making a long term prospective relationship there is most likely better advice out there than there is here . I made the mistake in 2018-2019 in being too inundated in Tom Torero’s advice, being “too fuck boy” and ultimately not really developing my hook ups into something more tangible – always being afraid of being too needy. As a result the women I had sex with and wanted to make girlfriend’s ended up ditching me for other men after not trusting my “fuck boy” lifestyle  and its important to differentiate that Tom Torero’s game to hook up is a lot different to the game that can cultivate proper – meaningful long term relationships which is what I was confused with as a beginner I was just stuck In the London daygame model tangent and didn’t manage the women’s expectations well – so before partaking in it be honest with yourself what you want from the women you game – whether you want short term flings or something more substantial you need to adjust your game for  your own unique  different  relationship  expectations . 

    The approaching advice is really practical and easy to read for newbies, throughout the book he drops good tidbits – this is practical , easy to apply advice that most beginners can quickly utilise. Bar the entourage game where I believe you really do need a good social circle to make it work in the modern world in 2025 – the rest I believe can be incorporated quickly by your average joes. 

    Tom spends little time talking about daygame blowouts- something which Nick Krauser and Liam Mcrae looked at exponentially to give people a realistic outlook – Tom bounces quickly from success to success ignoring the toughest part of daygame which is actually dealing with the rejections and the emotional battle that they entice. I think its important to emphasise statistically speaking that the majority of approaches will end up as no and in-between each daygame success is a lot of suffering and blow outs- so be sure to know this. The problem with “lay report” books is a lot of them don’t emphasise the tough mental challenge in-between the successes. The amount of mental discipline required should not be understated and Tom shows huge amounts to be able to balance a full time job and to do this at the same time really isn’t easy and his immense work ethic should not be understated. As I stated in previous blogs the majority of men simply give up too soon – they have a couple days of blow outs and they pack it in after a a few tough days. Daygame’s drop out rate is insane and you need to have a long term viewpoint of approaching of 1-2 years instead of just a single day or a couple of sets or you feel frustrated. Don’t expect to match Tom Torero’s results instantly –  the learning curve of the first couple of months of daygame is huge/ mentally antagonising and brutal  which should not be understated. 

    One of my favourite daygamers Nick Krauser makes an appearance towards the end of the book –  he doesn’t get the big praise as his wingmen as Beckster gets however. Sasha Daygame also gets a bit of praise at the beginning for his funny style securing some phone numbers.  I’d say they those three are the biggest “guest appearances” in this book.

    It’s interesting that Tom says the majority of his flakes came from English girls and that they played more games and tended were masculine – I found this to be true in my daygame journey as well – the tendency for English women to be  a lot more combative , the same with the Australians and the Canadians – though I was able to get the dates and hooks in the interactions the dates and mind games played on the dates made it harder to lead the situation than Eastern European,Latino and South East Asian girls. I just find in general that English/ Australian / Canadian women were more insecure on dates and I found their situations harder to read . I stopped approaching English women in 2019 after a horrid double date with 2 med students left me feeling like I’d wasted my time – I’d rather date more feminine women who actually let me lead instead of masculine English women who are constantly combative and trying to hold the frame.  Such frustrating incidents occurred in 2014 when I was day gaming (well It was a one off approach in a hostel rather than proper street game)  in Cambodia after making out and securing the number of an Aussie girl she invited me that night out only to take me all the way back to her place and leave me on her doorstep- a similar incident happened in Antigua-Guatemala  in 2017 when a hot Aussie blond who I kiss closed in a pub seemingly cock teased me the whole night despite her being the one to call me on the phone and initiate the meet-up (i’d never had a woman directly call me and ask me out before – so i had high hopes)   a further date the next day resulted in nothing- she seemed tense and insecure – i’d assumed she’d been lied and cheated on in the past because she said the most attractive thing about me was my honesty , she also said i wasn’t particularly handsome and if she saw me on a dating app she wouldn’t swipe right which goes to prove that game and vibe can make a difference – in the end i just left it as it seemed like a lost cause.

    i’d had many other such incidents with Canadians and English over the years facing a lot more indecisiveness from them on dates making it hard to lead and be “masculine” in the interactions.  Of course im not saying all western women are like this indeed in this book Torero achieves some solid results – hooking and closing a professional women’s English Chelsea fc footballer- so his results are there even with “difficult” women. Along with Russians, Turks, muslims etc. he seems to have a wide range of successes with different races and proves that daygame can really push one beyond ones limits. 

    One surprise is there’s very little that Tom talks about actual SMV, which may leave some beginners  readers a bit flummoxed – Tom says on his podcasts that low smv individuals can succeed  in the dating world which I really don’t believe in – I think SMV is really important akin to what Krauser does who emphasises the importance of sexual market value to dating success – Tom doesn’t (bar a few pages on the importance of style) which I feel can potentially lead people in the wrong direction . He’s certainly very focused in this book just opening new girls hooking up constantly and moving on to more and more women. He forgets to really mention important shit regarding SMV which other coaches like Krauser and James Marshall build on better in their respective autobiographies. One could say this was a marketing trick designed to give hope to everyone in order to sell coaching to everyone – and I see that in coaches that say “looks don’t matter “height doesn’t matter”  ‘Money doesn’t matter” It all fucking matters and the more you have of each thing the better. 

    But having said that Tom is still tall , a oxbridge graduate , world traveller who had a good strong social circle thanks to Beckster – he had some SMV – not a huge amount but by no means 0 . Some may read this book and deceivingly think all they have to do is approach but I believe that’s a bit too one dimensional a look. 

    At his peak he fucks catwalk models, Aussie 10s and even a famous Swedish media news  reporter.  Showing with the  smv he has he clearly has overachieved but make no bones to pick about it . Tom Torero’s work ethic and diligence is impressive.  He went out every day after work whilst having a full time job for a whole year – proving that Time is just an excuse that people make to avoid doing the hard sets and committing long term – most people quit after a couple of days of game – but Tom keeps going for 365 days a year a feat which barely any of the new “gen z” gamers can achieve . Genuinely it was difficult to find someone who went out 2 or 3 times a week yet alone everyday. 

    But there are moments in the bookwhere he stumbles – often times being too arrogant and escalating too fast with not building enough comfort- this usually happens ironically after his most successful lays and for me I found my dates which took place after some of my best lays from daygame to be the least successful as the cockiness and ego fuelled by my successful  results in coming across as arrogant and not focusing on building enough rapport- Tom is also honest about daygame burnout and how doing too much can affect the quality of interactions and dates – although the majority of men in the pua community usually do way too little rather than too much – its still important to stay humble and show patience sometimes during dates and interactions. Too much escalation too soon can ruin things – cause lmr and potentially turn “promising maybes” into “nos” 

    To conclude I believe for anyone starting off in the daygame hustle that “daygame” is credible reading material –  the events in this book take place between 2011-2014 but I think the vast majority of the information displayed is still very much valuable in todays world. I’d say around 80-90 percent of it – its sad to see no real LTR development here or advice given so for those seeking girlfriends and LTRs as their current dating goal maybe this book isn’t for them but still when it comes to interactions and first dates I don’t see many better in the business than Torero. 

    The book is available free and is probably more practical than a lot of paid seduction books out there. His experiences hopefully are cherished and inspire the next generation of day gamers to hit the streets.  

    To Read this book for free: https://archive.org/details/daygame-a-street-seducers-journey

    Score: 8/10 

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent

    Adam Lyons 

    Definitely one of the earlier marketing gurus in the pua space Adam Lyons played his pua speeches more like a psychopathic guru than anything else . Hitting the 21 convection stages hyper excitable – posing like a used second hand car salesman more than anything Lyons claimed he faced 0 rejection and had a 100 percent hit rate- if that absurdity wasn’t enough to put you off his fast paced talking in the 21 convention speeches was akin to hearing a pitch from a child requesting a new playstation 5 . His reviews for coaching were mixed but his back story did reel me in somewhat – a shy introverted nerd turned pick up artist with two wives and living comfortably in Texas with his own ranch he certainly made a quick buck off the pua hype – whether his ideas and principles really “lived on” after remains to be seen with his claim of 0 percent rejection being mocked to this day. 

    https://www.datingskillsreview.com/pua-training-bootcamp/#userReviews Here shows a lot of distain over Adam with his bootcamp scoring an average of 5.3/10 .

    His success serves as a reminder that a lot of pua gurus are just wannabe salesmen who offer very little but charisma on stage to sell dreams of 0 percent rejection and audacious claims- Lyons now seems to be involved in ai and is living comfortably with two wives – the results are there in his own life whether they spread to those  of his clients I highly doubt it. With mixed reviews for his bootcamps and products  on dating skills review it remains unclear as to what his real skill level or coaching level actually was. Adam was certainly someone who was in the right place at the right time when it came to being a pua coach capitalising on the high ticket sales coaching hype before cashing out and moving to his ranch in Texas.

    Verdict: I’d never recommend the guy or see him as a success – I believe his sort of scummy marketing techniques and obvious lying serve as a warning to others to really not to take the majority pua coaches seriously  . Ironically when I was 21 hearing his material i took the kool aid and believed the hype and even tried a few lines on women i was making on with in the club. One line in particular “you look like you’re an interesting adventurous person aren’t you ” (that i took directly from his 21 speech) worked with a girl i’d made out with for about 2 minutes before the girl then clocked that it was obviously a line and saw me for the bullshiter she then blew me out and left me. After this experience i never tried “pua lines” again. I was actually a big enough dumbass to believe that this guy at that age and even try some of his nonsense techniques- never again.

    Adam Lyon’s advice seems disingenuous – giving advice to check out other girls while you’re in conversation and telegraph to other women that the women you’re with is boring you and you are checking out other women in my opinion this in 95 percent of cases simply won’t work as women don’t like it when you “lose interest” in them so quickly in the first 5-10 minutes of an interaction? You need to be locking their focus and building rapport. Standing behind and tapping? As John Anthony says in the video it will most likely weird the girl out. I just can’t imagine anyone – beginner , intermediate or advanced would do well with this sort of advice. The last piece of info of getting in between two girls then ordering a drink at the bar is just seems an even worse piece of advice to give. You don’t need to be experienced to come to the conclusion that Adam Lyons is spouting shit quite clearly – a couple of 100 approaches and you will know within a minute that this sort of generic marketing that Lyons comes up with is full bs. For absolute beginners though they might fall for it and in 2014 i most certainly did – I can’t imagine how many people stumped up the cash for Adam Lyons’ course though – no wonder he has enough money to reside in a ranch in Texas.

    Gareth Jones 

    One of the infamous “The Natural Lifestyles” coaches who was well known for his text game – I had a wing who used said guides and he said it was the real shit – I myself have not purchased his products so have no clue . He comes across charismatic in his 21 convention speeches although probably could be seen as style over substance with a lot of word salad. He is one of the few TNL coaches who never released actual infield whether that matters or not I think it somewhat does if you’re going to give out advice at least have something to back it by. He’s a well dressed well mannered man so he most likely isn’t full of shit imo. 

    Verdict: No real clue – I don’t know what he’s doing in his life now – I believe he still coaches for James Marshall Occasionally – i have a trusted wing who rates his text game book (which appears to be no longer sold) but i can’t vouch for it as i’ve not used it myself.

    Richard La Ruina 

     One of the few “old g’s pua” Richard La Ruina who rose to fame thanks in part to his 21 convention speech which was the first 21 convention speech to achieve over 500k views on YouTube.  However what put me off is seemingly all the negative reviews for his products and training which could be found here: 

    https://www.datingskillsreview.com/natural-art-of-seduction-pua-training/

    One product in particular called “the secret to closing 9s and 10s” got particularly bad reviews here: https://www.datingskillsreview.com/9-secrets-to-closing-9s-and-10s/

    A lot of his other reviews complain about Richard’s absence on bootcamps in the prior link i posted under the Adam Lyons segment (who he collabed with a lot ) and his product reviews show a lot of complaints for excessive marketing and generic advice.  When you look at what users feel from his actual purchases it appears that there are some obvious flaws in what Richard portrays- nevertheless he’s well spoken, well dressed , youthful looking despite being 41 and gets high praise in comments on his PUA speeches especially his ones for 21 convention- I remain to be unconvinced as to whether he’s the “real deal” based off the product and bootcamp reviews . 

    Verdict: He resides in London/Barcelona – owns his own flat in Barcelona by all means seems to be living a good life to so kudos to him . He’s married with an attractive wife and has sold his company so he’s moved on from game being a success. Although i can’t help but feel he made his money off marketing the “bulk” bootcamps with a high student to teacher ratio then rinsing them for cash before the next merry bandwagon of suckers comes along. His videos seem strange with women in bra’s sitting in the background for some reason- why? i don’t know but it seems somewhat disingenuous .

    There are a few positive testimonials from people who took Richard’s courses in the past
    Richard La Ruina’s videos seem like ridiculous marketing bs – why hire three ladies to just sit in the background of your vids?
    Richard La Ruina’s Formula for Nightgame was the first 21 Convention speech to top over 500k views making it one of the most successful speeches at the convention

    Todd Valentine 

    One of the more controversial individuals most notably for his association with RSD. However during my time doing daygame in 2017 -2020 he was an individual in which my wingmen looked up to a lot and to his defence gave genuine good advice on long term relationship development which was actually unique and a  interesting perspective (the video has since been deleted but I give credit where its due)

    But again his product reviews are mixed and at times he appears to be a physics lecturer turned PUA coach which can make him hard to follow. Often overcomplicating everything he seems quite plain Jane both in terms of appearance, fashion  and his online dating guides which seem just unoriginal and average .  I downloaded the system and felt he was no where near as engaging or charismatic as a Tom Torero, Krauser or a James Marshall . I just don’t see why women will be attracted to him other than his previous successes in poker.  I don’t think he really articulates himself well or clearly and his ideas can be really confusing for beginners but my hyper analytical friends have enjoyed some successes from Todd so I can’t lament him completely as a “scammer” 

    Verdict: Neither here nor there , I remain unconvinced by his “game” but his ltr analysis was pretty spot on so I can’t say he’s a complete dunce. He remains one of the few remaining RSD members to be still making an impact and drawing an audience so there’s that bonus. His career outside of PUA has been somewhat of a success too – he’s no one trick pony akin to Johnny Berba he still has some clear skills outside of pickup especially in the poker scene

    Sadia Khan 

    If there’s ever an example of style over substance then Sadia Khan is it. Bursting onto the scene with her non existent qualifications , a charismatic sales vocal tonne that made her sound a lot more intelligent than she actually is charging a whooping £8000 an hour to other women for a one hour coaching sessions . She then became a key note speaker at the London health optimisation summit just showing how simply being good looking and slinging generic self help phrases can propel a career. She also went on podcasts with famous YouTube celebrities such as Mike Thurston. 

    Sadia Khan at the London health optimisation summit in 2024

    What ensued later on however was allegations of her sending threatening instagram voice notes to  users who’d called her out on her bs whilst sometimes even calling them on instagram chat using the voice call option- seemingly bizarre behaviour . Before an allegation that she had slept with a client’s fiancé started roughly 4 days ago at the time of writing this . Despite spending the bulk of her interviews and lectures complaining about the poor etiquette of current women in todays world she was unable to really follow any of her actions with real self accountability at all.  Proving to be just another self help – high ticket guruing type of individual. Look pretty , say a few colloquialisms, use your British vocal tonne to act like you’re a lot more intelligent then you actually are then seemingly enjoy the fruits of your labour through high ticket speaking events like the London Health Optimisation summit where your fandom will revel in you without really knowing why they do. 

    Further evidence pointed out just days later from the leaked WhatsApp messages pointing to potentially faking degree qualifications showcasing that she was never actually a qualified psychologist to begin with. She denied all claims claiming the WhatsApp messages were fake ai but further evidence suggested otherwise. 

    Proof of Sadia Khan’s faked qualifications and allegations she slept with a client’s fiance

    Verdict: It’s tough to see where she even bounces make from here – having voice note proof that you’ve fucked one of your client’s fiancé is a breach of trust that will be near on impossible to come back from. With a lot of videos being made of her it seems that her narcissism and fake  persona has finally gotten the better of her. You either die a hero or you live long enough to be the villain 😉

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks – Article Written by Jeremy Sergent

    Nick Krauser :

    The dating coach from Newcastle- United Kingdom  Nick Krauser has been a prominent daygamer he’s published numerous books roughly around 5 (maybe incorrect) has spoken at the 21 convention and was one of the pioneers in the London daygame model. He has since transitioned to be gaming for a “wife material” woman citing in a 2018 interview with Rollo Tomassi that he wanted to have children and a legacy. Nick was a close associate of Tom Torero when the two had a feud over plagiarised material and alleged dodgy payed actor kiss closed infield which ended up in them no longer speaking to one another – the feud continued till Tom’s suicide in late 2021. Nick lead the mourning for Tom however arranging his memorial for Tom in early 2022.

    Nick was mentioned in the Rational Male’s book “ The Player’s Handbook” as one of the best daygame coaches out there – Nick has had a close relationship with Rollo being one of the only “puas” that Rollo has interviewed on his channel – Nick has had feuds with John Anthony in the past with allegations of exaggerated lay reports with Nick claiming that John Anthony’s lack statistical truth https://krauserpua.com/2018/09/10/jmulv-is-a-fraud-obviously/

    Nick Krauser has also lashed out against “The Natural Lifestyles” in his blogs and in his speeches calling their game shit and giving a negative review of James Marshall ” The Marshall Meditation” product.

    Nick Krauser’s speech at the 21 convention

    John hit back claiming Nick is a massive racist and has a “low laycount” . Nick’s appeal as an average Joe from Newcastle and someone who started daygame relatively late at aged 34 after a divorce with a Japanese wife of 8 years shows that even those past their prime can still resurrect and have a fantastic dating career. Nick emphasises heavily on the importance of SMV and that game will only get you a few points above your current smv – the two need to be done in conjunction to each other and not independently

    Nick Krauser’s interview with Rollo Tomassi

    As of time of writing Nick is currently resuming coaching – you can find him here at : 

    He is also in a LTR and currently spends his free time studying languages and is currently working on his final memoire . 

    Find out More about Nick Krauser Here : https://krauserpua.com/ his blog covers daygame, pua culture,

    Verdict : He had a huge impact- even to this day I believe his 21 convention speech and numerous London sarge speeches are some of the best a beginner can watch . His books are decent too and well worth a read for those looking to take daygame more  seriously. He is currently in a LTR and still coaching so he seems to be having some success at the time of writing 

    Roosh V 

    Another seemingly competent day gamer turned religious vodo guy- you can’t underestimate the impact Roosh V had on the daygame world – forums still exist in his name and are still active to this day. In terms of active legacy there’s few that can match Roosh V. Although things took a turn for the worst when he turned into a strict religious vodo Christian after his sister’s death. An example along with Sasha Daygame of dating coaches turning their back on dating and instead heading down a spiritual path . Using religion perhaps as a coping mechanism for life’s challenges . I think he deserved more praise then he actually got – often used as an example of “Doing too much game’ which I disagree- as game made this guy famous if it wasn’t for game we wouldn’t know who he is .He did a clearly did a good job but his sister’s death took it’s toll on him and I blame that rather than pickup for his reasonings on giving up on the dating scene.  Seemingly attacked by British media for his right wing tradiotionalist anti- feminist views (i’d argue unfairly) again another example of British and American media going all out to destabilise anyone who tries to make dating content with a petition in Scotland even calling for him to be banned from entering the country. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35474206

    Verdict: His forums are still active- to this day which is rare in pickup as the majority of dating Facebook communities, forums, telegram groups are now dead. He clearly had a major influence on the men’s dating world even today – when other forums like Pua-Forum, Simple Pickup died the people who were inspired by Roosh V have continued his legacy nonetheless.  He’s a success in my eyes – maybe he doesn’t care anymore but I can’t lament him for what he achieved in the past .

    Roosh V’s Legacy here : https://rooshvforum.network/

    Game Global

    A pickup Telegram Group that originated in London and was victim  of a mass media cancel culture brigade – despite the owner Alex Ice white  seemingly doing not much wrong himself. With the group having only 5k YouTube subscribers  at the time of the attack: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9729855/British-childrens-author-Game-Global-social-network-pick-artists.html now at time of writing 15k it shows how the media even comes ever after small fish – compared to Torero’s 80k or Simple Pickup’s near one million at the time of their respective media crusade attacks or Johnny Berba’s 35k at the time of his shadow banning 5k was a poultry in comparison but the British media are seemingly out for blood now and will attack anyone with even the smallest of influences.

     This unfair media crusade showed that even being even a small time dating coach can leave you in a vulnerable position , dating coaches are easy pickings for a media that seems content on click bait titles and half truths.   They got unfairly done In – and it’s interesting to see if any of the members will have their careers f’ed up in the future as a result of what happened – ( having their real names leaked to the media virally surely will be a blow to them long term if any of them chose to leave the pickup place) . The group said to be encouraging rape culture- but Alex Ice white himself has 0 daygame lays so I don’t know how you can consider someone who clearly has no game as a sex pest or rapist . The alleged accusations of the daily mail article held only a few quotes from people posting in the group especially with Ice himself having slept with so few women and done so little in terms of cold approach  it’s hard to see how he’s guilty . So again  it’s very difficult to ascertain the validity of any of it – anyway game global got burnt in articles written across 4 different UK newspapers . Controlling 100s of telegram groups it’s hard to moderate what people say on there and even if people don’t say bad shit the media will most likely reframe things to make those who speak a lot worse than they actually are.  Especially in a PUA context .

    John Anthony Exposed Ice White for 0 lays and having pictures of women he did sleep with as part of his book’s marketing

    Alex Ice White got into a conflict with John Anthony afterwards in which Ice got humiliated and outed for having done 0 cold approaches despite him selling dating courses by John – a pretty big blow for someone who seems an obvious fraud once the information leaked out .  Alex Ice White and John Anthony originally had a good relationship with Ice seemingly sucking up to him by leaking RSD “truth bombs” on a live. Ice White’s game global emailed John Anthony asking for an interview with John himself showing the evidence – John declined – After Ice white asked his coaching panel about John Anthony and made a video judging him John then threatened Ice with a law suit.   

    Alex Ice White was hung out to dry by mainstream media and also critiqued heavily by John Anthony who stated he dressed like shit, 0 cold approach lays and had an ugly wife

    John also attacked Ice White for allegedly taking photos with women who he wasn’t dating and posting them in his game global website and Message Game – whilst this is nothing new in the pua space with numerous other gurus doing something similar – take for example Michael Sartain who organises photo bombing events for his clients , Tom Torero who did fake kisses closes and Rsd Max who hired broke Ukrainian women to be in his vlogging videos to make himself look like much more of a player than he actually was .

    Ice White hit back attacking John’s YouTube viewerships and calling it allegedly fake. Ice white proceeded to slander John posting a huge array of evidence on his game global blog and YouTube  then he spammed the links over reddit feminist reddit forums and pua discussion groups referring to John Anthony’s previous court cases and dodgy YouTube viewership stats in an attempt to damage his image. 

    John Anthony Filed a Lawsuit Against Ice White’s accusations that John had sex with 4 trannies – Ice White immediately pussied and deleted the content he made against him

     John hit back with a lawsuit threat and Ice pussied out and retracted the blog- John made two  exposes videos on Ice one which was removed due a privacy complaint the other has stayed up in certain locations on YouTube (despite Ice claiming both had been taken down they still can be viewed outside of the UK) –  the YouTube videos pointed to Alex Ice White’s apparent plagiarism of RSDMax’s text game book  – with allegedly similar lines being used in Alex Ice White’s the message game , John then attacked Alex Ice white’s poor dress and 0 daygame lays pretty much humiliating the guy and also caused his wife “greta from the gremlins” and referred to the fact that Alex Ice white hadn’t had sex with attractive women – Ice white continues to attack John to this day in numerous videos referring to him as a troll and a hamster- John continues to also mock Ice White’s 0 daygame lays and lack of experience to this day even in his lifestreams.

    In fairness Alex Ice White has made a decent comeback though – he reached 15k subs on the game global channel despite being targeted by mainstream media – which in todays era of PUA tomfoolery is a pretty decent achievement as most men’s dating channels either face some inherit issues of shadow banning and  diminished revenues see- 21 Convention, Johnny Berba , John Anthony, Tom Torero’s YouTube channels all examples of channels that faced restrictions on YouTube either on the diminishment of monetary ad revenue or out and out deletion of certain pua related  content. He also organised the live stream debate  of Ross Jefferies and Mystery – the stream reached 55k views as far as I am aware that was the largest viewed live “pua” stream of 2024 men’s dating content far surpassing even 21 convention videos and Rollo Tomassi streams (in 2024 only mind you)  Had these streams been made 10 years ago he’d probably be sitting on larger viewership. 

    Ice white also has been in conflict with James Tusk- calling out James for charging for a wingman group – despite Ice White’s 0 daygame lays he still seemingly finds grounds to attack other daygamers which I found odd as why bother when you yourself are so inexperienced? James Tusk seemingly ignored this trolling .

    Verdict – Considering Game Global got unfairly hung out to dry for the media it could be seen as failure in terms of the negative media attention . I mean  even the small groups and communities can’t catch a break no doubt those involved will have their careers affected long after they leave “the game”   I don’t know what they were thinking having so many groups with the media circus that surrounds PUA both Game Global and Tom Torero should’ve been more discreet . Nevertheless their content continues to get views and their subscribers have climbed since -surpassing 15k at the time of this blog – despite the media resentment they have recovered somewhat. They also (as mentioned before) managed to have one of the debates of 2024 between Mysery and Ross Jeffries. I hope their YouTube monetary success overrides their unfair humiliation they refused in the British media – with the majority of pickup channels like Alex from playing with fire, 21 convention and John Anthony’s having their videos demonetised

    Learn More about Game Global Here: https://www.gameglobal.net/

    To buy Ice White’s the message Game: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Message-Game-Guide-Dating-Button/dp/1916000657

    James Tusk :

    English though born and raised originally in Hong Kong and was mentored by Tom Torero James Tusk was an example of a good looking guy who was humble enough to take the plunge into doing daygame think of him as the polar opposite of Yad . Admired for his honesty and hard work as well as his adventurous attitude doing daygame in a variety of nations from Serbia to Venezuela- Mexico to Brazil . James Tusk was mentioned in addition to Nick Krauser as one of the best coaches to learn daygame from in Rollo Tomassi’s The Rational Male- The Player’s Handbook book – James Tusk has similarly praised Rollo and called The Rational Male one of the most essential book for beginner day gamers to read.  

    Often times criticised as being a passport bro  he’s humble enough to release infields of getting blow outs in difficult dating environments in London showing that even the best looking need to deal with blow ups.  James Tusk also made it in the media: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8025267/Have-daygamed-Dating-trend-sees-men-stop-hit-women-street-broad-daylight.html albeit not as aggressive of a media ridicule that Alex ice white , Tom Torrero of Roosh v but still a bit unfair imo.

    His coaching has – at times been the subject  of scrutiny – with one infield of him telling a 19 year old autistic  student called Andre wearing a reebok backpack to approach a Belgian model – the Autistic student then asks in a serious tonne to the woman “is Belgium in Europe”  in all honesty someone with that lack of life experience , knowledge and retardations should probably be doing other things first instead of game- from this infield which is now deleted his seeming inability as a coach to differentiate between obviously severely autistic clients is just a shame really and an example of a coach not really reading the weaknesses of their students. For someone so long in the game he should probably know better. 

    Tusk has had his conflicts too both with Alex Ice White and John Anthony – with Alex  Ice White accusing Tusk of overcharging clients for wingmen groups- Tusk didn’t respond to this despite “0 daygame lay” Alex Ice White  publicly attacking him twice a brave act for someone with 0 daygame lays but whatever — John Anthony then critiqued Tusk’s infield even though both of them seem to have a similar ratio of blow outs, James Tusk then challenged Anthony to a daygame competition on his YouTube comments which John Anthony didn’t respond to . 

    Tusk also had some quite bizarre stories one in which he was daygaming in Thailand and bought back a girl to his crib who turned out to have a cock – such a story would definitely traumatise me if it happened- and really does a guy as good looking as Tusk really need gutter ball Thai trannies or impoverished Venezuelans the whole predicament  seemed pretty strange to me . For someone with decent status and looks to go to Venezuela , Mexico ,Thailand seems a bit overkill but each to his own- maybe Latin America is the best opportunity for his clients to get laid which is fair enough – I know The Natural Lifestyles spent a long time in Eastern Europe and Tom Torero and Krauser spent long periods gaming in Eastern Europe I m sure there respective 

    Verdict : Despite being good looking and an obvious ladies man its clear he does lack some degree of common sense when it comes to coaching clients- I still see him as a successful pickup artist with no ego but not so much a good coach in my eyes at least (for those who care and most probably don’t give a shit ). 

    Find out more about James Tusk here: jamestusk.com

    Andrew the Private Man: 

    Dating Blogger Andrew the Private man rose to prominence blogging around 2010 he was the first dating coach of the 21 convention to actually die in fact I recall he died the same year of his speech from eye cancer. Still his speech was well received and his blog is still up today. I personally enjoyed it though disagreed that online was the best way to meet women – I have to say for it’s easily daygame for me personally. 

    Verdict: A strong personality and well received speech – Andrew will be missed.  Although he didn’t really offer much advice in terms of daygame he still had some good early “red pill” insights. 

    Anthony Dream Johnson: 

    Anthony Dream Johnson has had an undoubted massive impact on the manosphere- if you’re part of the PUA space then most likely  you’ve most likely watched a 21 convention speech at some point in time.  Originally started in 2009 as the “under 21 convention” whilst Anthony was studying business at university – he made the local student newspaper as the only one of his business course to  actually start a business- since then he’s had over 500k subs for the 21 convention and hosted it in numerous countries from Australia,  Sweden , Germany, UK, USA and Poland (and others I’ve probably forgotten )  21 convention speeches were always used as the bread and butter to inspire day gamers I winged with – most notably James Marshall, Liam Mcrae, Dj Fuji , Tom Torero  and Nick Krauser but there were others too. 

    For men’s seduction I see nothing having a bigger impact than that of the 21 convention speeches- the speeches alone which set careers and companies alight- most notably James Marshall’s whose The Natural Lifestyles company flourished after his opening keynote address speech in Australia went viral as well as his speech in London. Richard La Ruina was the first person to amass over 500k views which also contributed to a lot of his coaching success in the 2010s . This set the precedent for the company hitting 7 figures- one of the watchers of the speeches – Alex Leon then was inspired to work for James from watching his 21 convention contributions alone. He now since been made James Marshall’s main executive coach of the natural lifestyles. 

    Johnson has received some criticism of speakers most notably for  having John Anthony as a speaker  who’s speech remains the highest YouTube “Disliked” speech of the 21 convention to date . The speech drew criticism from viewers claiming that John Anthony’s spreads lies regading his lay count and that counting trans gender lays as part of his “lay count” was disingenuous once Johnson found out about this   he released videos mocking John Anthony for his tranny lays  John Anthony then issued Johnson with legal threats which Johnson ignored. John Anthony then mocked Johnson for marrying a prostitute and stated that the 21 convention had more speakers than attendees. 

    Anthony Johnson makes a Video mocking John Anthony’s

    Johnson has had feuds with a lot of the past speakers most notably AJA Cortes, Arthur Kwon Lee, Jeff Younger , Adam Lyons, Rollo Tomassi , Richard Cooper and of course John Anthony .With all these conflicts its unknown whether the convention will return next year but with all the disputes in the manosphere its hard to see if it will ever be like the “good old days” of 2010-2017 . 

    Anthony is married now with a daughter – so unlike most pua coaches he has a family now and is progressing in life- he suffered great setbacks including the death of his father and losing a best friend at aged 21 due to bone cancer- his resilience is definitely admirable and if it wasn’t for him Im sure a good percentage of the speakers at the conventions wouldn’t have sustained their careers for  so long. He a still active today even recently collaborating with my favourite dating coach James Marshall. 

    Verdict:   Huge influence , millions of views for top men’s content what’s not to like? He might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he definitely brought the community together and created immense value for all men’s dating self development enthusiasts.  You can’t think of anyone in the dating space that has given so much stage time to so many dating coaches. Without  him you wonder how many of these coaches would’ve faired on their own. I don’t think the likes of James Marshall, Dj Fuji, Richard Cooper et.al would have the following without Johnson’s help. Even despite marrying and divorcing a prostitute   Johnson has shown extreme resilience to come back from this and marry again.  Perhaps critics could argue that he was wrong to post so many political viewpoints on his youtube channel and maybe he didn’t do proper enough due diligence on some speakers like John Anthony. But overall there are definitely more pluses than minuses with him .

    More Info At 21 Convention: https://21studios.com/

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks

    Article Written by – Jeremy Sergent

    Whether you love or hate him Nick Krauser’s influence on the PUA scene has been undoubtedly huge, one of the London daygame model originals along with the likes of Tom Torero and Yad and a prominent  hard working disciplined PUA enthusiast there are few individuals who have shown more work ethic and dedication to the craft than that of Krauser who overcame his divorce at aged 35 to enter the PUA sphere, following the end of his 8 year marriage.  This in itself is impressive for him to pick himself up and dedicate himself – entering the craft quite late relative to others in the space the likes of Tom Torero , James Marshall, Sasha Dayame  and Liam Mcrae to name a few who started in their 20s. But being an average looking guy in his mid thirties and starting relatively late just again proves that age isn’t really an issue for those looking to enter daygame. Far too often on PUA forums you see the excuse being “ im too old to start”  “ I’m too old to do this , that etc. “women wouldn’t like me” but in this book at age 35 Nick Successfully courts a 17 year old and a 22 year old early on – proving without a doubt that age is just a number and that  “Old men” can do well and flourish despite the stereotypes that can potentially surround them . 

    The range of experiences in this book from  Libyans, Thais, French , Lithuanians , Romanians ,Japanese , Nigerians, black  British vixens  and Uzbek shows Krauser’s adaptability- he’s proven his daygame is capable of getting any sort of race of woman that he desires , even taking a Libyan woman’s anal virginity at one stage . In essence this success proves that “race of a woman” is just a limiting belief and that truly anything is possible in daygame with the right attitude and persistence. 

    What I liked about this book was that he includes the near misses, the blow outs – the defeats as well the victories. Often times pua biographies  can turn into circle jerking and lead to people having unrealistic expectations of what it entails. This often causes people who follow said gurus being burnt out quickly and being left easily frustrated.  Being realistic and honest are Krauser’s two most attractive traits as a coach imo. He doesn’t shit talk , or blag about a system that works 100 percent of time or post hooker lays like John Anthony or pretends to be good without having 0  daygame experience like Alex Ice White does. Instead he is conveys his shit dates with honesty as well as his wings. If only the community were more like him and not a bunch of circle jerks with shitty marketing . 

    This is not just a book of a mid aged ban bragging about his successes there are definitely layers to everything he does which I think its appropriate to those starting out to get a realistic vision of what pua is like rather than diving head first into gloating about lays. In fact the first several chapters of this book are just about blow outs and crap dates- and for me this exactly how my daygame journey started out – a lot of crap dates and a lot of blow out with not much to show for it. But the progression is there from someone too socially anxious to approach on the street to getting dates with attractive women is still progress nonetheless (a lot of people would disagree but f’ck em) 

    Then again the beginners hell is mentally tough for anyone starting out and I think Nick does a good job of portraying the difficulties he and many others can face during the start- bad dates, nervous escalation , shitty wingmen, approach anxiety, unreceptive women can all be issues for those starting out. Nevertheless Nick goes through and gains his first girlfriend rotation of a 22 year old Thai woman successfully , he also manages to garner a  same day lay in a toilet, has a Russian Uzbek Model successfully lust for him as well as near misses with similar high end girls. There are a range of situations here and Nick develops and tells the stories well in a realistic and observant manner. 

    There are occasional political rants by Nick during this book – whether you’ll enjoy these really is subjective – one could argue they lean the subject away from dating and approaching . His personal political concerns are echoed throughout the book – if you lean on the right you’ll enjoy them – If you lean on the left you could get annoyed by his consistent political ramblings – but there is even an instance in the book where they appear to help him when he utters right wing rants to a Turkish woman and this helps him build big rapport with her (even as someone who leans on the right I’d never do this on a date so early on but kudos to it working out for him) 

    Before PUA Nick was not much of a ladies man with 3 lays at university before marrying a Japanese woman – hardly not disastrous compared to the national average outside of PUA  – better than what I did at uni ( 1 lay only with no LTR, girlfriend or marriage to show for it) He’s a high SMVed individual-  intelligent enough to garner a 6 figure salary,  a model uni student,  well traveled individual having spent a few years in Okinawa Japan, fluent in Japanese, English and Newcastlish  and a amateur boxer – he certainly has talents, interests and has decent history/politics knowledge he’s no stunner but he makes up for it in other ways- one thing I would reiterate to those starting out you need some  smv- some interests , some hobbies and something about yourself that’s good- you don’t have to be king of the world but you gotta have something going for you to hook people .   He certainly comes into this with less success than that of a James Marshall or a Paul Janka – but probably is a more well versed individual that the majority Ive met during my time doing daygame.  He’s also a distinctly relatable character – as someone growing up in England he seems like the average Joe bloke which I think makes him a good coach to look up to. He’s not a handsome James Marshall/Liam Mcrae or Paul Janka but he’s no fad ass Yad either. 

    Indeed other famous couches do make an appearance here most notably Yad who’s well praised for his good vibe despite being a fat ass – he credits Yad to helping him aid through his issues of divorce as well as another pro coach whom he took advice for regarding his “inner game” some of the conclusions aren’t quite clear but are interesting none the less. The mental battle of dealing with divorce is a difficult one – indeed men have much higher suicide rates post divorce than that of women – so the damage it can do to ones moral is not to be taken lightly- in 2019 in Tom Torero’s last London meet-up I met several day gamers who were recovering from divorces- despite their high smv and interesting lifestyles they certainly looked beaten and I applaud them for fending off their egos and diving into the world of pickup to help fight it off- to bounce back from a relationship or marriage is mentally arduous and a lot of men never recover from the mental/financial blow of a divorce – break ups can be physically gruelling too and not all men have that ability to get out of the rut that ensues – Nick references his divorce throughout the book stating it can take up to three years for a man to recover from one which i most definitely agree with. Getting through failures takes a lot of time energy and persistence and its fine for it to do so as long as you’re working hard and putting yourself back out there.

    There are interesting events in this book in regards to pua trips abroad including -a trip to Lithuania and Croatia- Nick notes the cultural differences as well as the huge improvement in quality that he was able to see in Eastern  Europe- sorta the cliche London day gamers path to have success in the UK then go Eastern  Europe where the women are hotter and your smv is instantly deemed more impressive just by being foreign. He enjoys successes here – he also successfully gets a hot woman to cheat on his boyfriend which morally I wouldn’t agree with but each to his own.  He describes the plight of women in Eastern Europe which aside from their looks and charisma can be very tough .

    Nick describes emotions well – he goes into his issues quite deeply in a vulnerable way which I think offers good guidance to those looking to make a change in their life and date better women through daygame. He also highlights how competitive London is which I agree- despite daygame successes here I nearly always had a better approach to lay ratio abroad in other countries  – feeling like I was being treated better whenever I’ve  gamed abroad- indeed his results in Lithuania were impressive but still even in the tough environment of London Nick fucks an ex multimillionaires’ girlfriend in an Uzbek model which is very impressive given the competitive atmosphere of London. 

    All in all Balls deep is an intriguing autobiography of Krauser’s beginnings, I think this book is good for beginners, intermediates as well as advanced individuals. The book has an element of balance which other pua books lack , the beginner struggle is definitely the most important part in my opinion way too many new people give up too quickly once the first dozen or so blow outs come in they get to disheartened and quit before they can build up enough positive reference experiences and realise that daygame is most definitely worth the time and perseverance . Krauser does a good job of processing emotions even during the daygame highs by documenting in depth about the slumps , the bad blow outs and the shit dates is even more important than the lays because the majority of pickup is the former – any coach that’s pitching a different idea is just pitching you something that isn’t the truth . 

    If there’s one thing to be gleaned from Krauser is that he has a lot of self determination something which I really don’t see when people begin pickup.  I’ve never personally dealt with the mental burden of a divorce but seeing the damage it did to my brother and others in the pua community who are starting out I can imagine it being a way tougher mental hurdle to deal with than I’ve ever had to. To also start in his mid 30’s at an age in which many have calcified is also equally as impressive – I know many who use their age as a reason not to approach which I always found odd as the older I got the easier sets were to hook due to my increased life experience . It was actually in my early 20s where I really struggled to create entertaining conversation and found that a lot of women simply didn’t respect me due to my lack of maturity and lack of life experiences which I think is vitally important to being good at pickup , hooking sets and being a dynamic and interesting person overall. 

    Conclusions

    Overall if you’re starting out and need motivation this is genuinely a good book to read. I’d put this up there with my third favourite pickup book of all time behind James Marshall’s A Natural history and Liam Mcrae’s Rapid Escalation -Krauser is a good intelligent story teller and a teacher whom I think can motivate many to improve their dating life I think Ball’s Deep is good evidence of his honesty and integrity as well as his ability as a seduction coach 

    Buy Balls Deep here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Balls-Deep-Jilted-Lover-Killer/dp/1916479413/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1I87GQ1FYHI7B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.oLufrufOtGzIt_k6xpHO9pEzDpIH-K_LN99CZSsPmuVuRJX74NY_9w_5BE8IbyLM.GROl-fgFNT5e5_W7SGVl6N_sp0v_jDJByC6rpx1L7Bc&dib_tag=se&keywords=nick+krauser+ball%27s+deep&qid=1756627412&sprefix=nick+krauser+ball%27s+deep%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-1

    For Coaching Info from Nick Krauser visit : https://krauserpua.com/

    Overall Score 9/10  

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: jeremysergent361@gmail.com thanks

    Article Written by – Jeremy Sergent

    Spent some time in Osaka and Nara recently so deciding to blog about my favourite dating locations in these areas:

    Apps  to download before your trip to Japan: 

    Hotel apps- Agoda,booking.com , Trip.com – from my experience as with China different cities offer the best deals on different apps. So it’s best to check each individual app for the best deals before booking. 

    Line Messaging app – This is one of the most popular apps in Asia- make sure you have good pictures on there when using the app (I think this goes with really any social media or messaging app you use make sure you have good pics on said apps to build rapport and increase comfort) 

    Ktalk– Due to the huge population of Koreans working in Osaka there’s a high probability you’re going to approach them so come prepared for closing them on Ktalk – the most popular messaging app for Korea – one perk of this app is that it allows for a “infinite “ amount of profile pictures meaning you can over 10 pictures on your app page. This enables you to build rapport in a similar way of instagram allowing you to flexibly chose a variety of pics instead of just one like with WhatsApp . 

    Instagram– Still the most popular social media  app in Japan and recommended for most daygame closes. 

    WeChat– Again, due to the sheer volume of Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese  tourists and students that live in Osaka is advised to download WeChat as this is the easiest app to use to stay in contact with them . 

    Pros to Daygame in Japan: 

    • Yen Depreciation – If you’re a Westerner earning £ or $ then Japan has gotten a lot cheaper to live in than prior times- this makes hotel bookings and food is far better value than in comparison to previous years. 
    • Low competition- as with China the smv and confidence levels of Japanese men are pale in comparison to the Western men- being a Westerner can help give you the edge. 
    • Great footfall compared to most western cities- its cheap to get a hotel room in high footfall areas relative to western cities like London or Paris- that way you can get “straight into the mix” after settling down in your hotel room. 
    • Good mix of Asians if you like Asian women – theres not just Japanese but big Chinese and Korean communities here as well as Hong Kongers and Thai. 
    • Dating is far cheaper here than in the west- food is cheaper, alcohol is cheaper , heck the basic price of a latte now in London is £3.70 by comparison in Japan it’s £2.65 
    • Great transport system makes it cheap and easy to cover large territory – Even if your hotel is in a isolated location its easy to hope on the train and within a stop or two you will most likely be in a city with good footfall.
    • High English speaking population relative to other Asian nations – I use the term relative loosely as still you may come across language issues but still less than the majority of Chinese cities for example. 
    • Easy to stay healthy- meat and seafood here is much cheaper than in the western nations like UK ,Paris and US – its also usually better quality  relative to other Asian nations- for example the meat quality in China is highly questionable
    • Infrastructure is just better than the major western cities – transport, the malls are more modern , the coffee shops are in better condition all in all Japan just kicks the west’s ass in terms of infrastructure in major cities. 
    Raw Egg and Fruit Smoothie in Osaka Mall- just £3 , perfect for those with a strict diet like myself.

    Cons to daygame in Japan

    • Outside of Tokyo theres a low expat community in general – if you’re not into Asian women you will find a low quantity of options and in that case it’s best to daygame elsewhere. 
    • People can be really shy- not always but some women may find it difficult to open up to you relative to western women – this means you need to be a bit more patient and spend time during the set to build rapport. 
    • A lot of people still wear masks which makes it hard to see their faces properly- probably more so than any country I know. 

    Logistics 

    It’s pretty easy to find a decent hotel during the off season for £250 a week – this is a bit more than a second tier city in China but roughly the same as the top tier cities like Guangzhou , Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen.  

    Recommended Stays: 

    Toho Hotel- roughly 20 minutes  walk away from the main tourist sites of Osaka.  Decent sized rooms at an affordable price. 

    Popway Residence Tennoji – Roughly a 25-30 minute walk from the main tourist sites of Osaka , rooms come with its  own kitchen if you wanna cook own meals this is the ideal cheap apartment hotel. ( I say cheap relative to London and major western city prices) 

    Dating/ Daygame  Locations: 

    There are 100s of coffee shops in Osaka which are easy to find – most train stations  and malls have a selection of coffee shops and wine bars so it should be easy to find good places regardless of what guides dating guides you read.  Also every mall I list here is usually attached to other malls which offer a huge range of options both for approaching people and for taking women on dates- it’s very hard to run out of things to do when you date in Osaka there’s literally an infinite amount of options.

    Grand Front Mall Osaka – Located in Umeada 

    This is a huge mall located right with a 5 minute  to another two huge malls – perfect for dates and daygame this place is so packed with restaurants and bars it is impossible to run out of people to approach or places to take your women. 

    Namba Parks- Located in Namba (Surprise Surprise) 

    Another beautiful mall that alone is great to walk through – you will once again find no shortage of footfall after work hours and on weekends. 

    Hep Five Mall Umeda- 

    A mall which is attractive to uni students and has fantastic foot flow – definitely appeals more to the women than the men however which is what you want nonetheless as a “daygame location”  The mall contains a built in ferris wheel as well as a tonne of coffee shops on the top floor – definitely worth checking out. 

    Data Locations

    There are literally hundreds in Osaka- you should have no trouble finding them for yourself but ill list a couple here :

    Wine Bar in Ofukacho , Osaka Inside the Grand Front Mall

    Kannonya -Grand Front Mall Osaka Branch :1

    Good coffee place with a lot of seating and next to several bars on other floors of the mall- bouncing and location hoping has never been easier than in the Grand Front Mall.

    Cheap Coffee with a View in Osaka

    Nara

    Popular for it’s deer but with a huge concentration of tourists pretty much there for feeding crackers to the deer themselves – hotels can quite pricey here but if booked in advanced i managed to get mine for £200 a week at the Mini Nara Inn which is logistically in the heart of all the tourist activities- there is a huge footfall the moment you leave the door of your hotel and finding date locations is a piece of piss seeing as they’re all located near the deer spots where the bulk of the tourists are – https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e4103.html

    Date Locations in Nara

    Again there’s so many decent spots located adjacent to most of the major hotels so you should have no trouble finding a date locations but there are a few i like this spot yes its a restaurant and i rarely recommend them but its phenomenal and they serve alcohol – Zagin chicken & noodle restaurant nara :

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g298198-d26728139-Reviews-Chicken_soba_Zagin_Kintetsu_Nara-Nara_Nara_Prefecture_Kinki.html

    Rokumei Coffee Co. Nara

    Bog standard speciality coffee shop just like 100s of others in Japan

    Chami

    My favourite coffee Shop in all of Nara

    Chami- Nara
    All this for £8 at Zagin Chicken and Noodle Restaurant in Nara

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

    Recent discussion video between Pat and Paul Janka came up on my feed-  this blog post is not meant to be actively “having a go” at them its just to discuss the topic surrounding the deaths between the two .  I have utmost respect for both of them and wanna give my stance. 

    I think people are quick to judge the life of pickup artists without actually discussing people’s lives prior to pickup . Both Johnny and Torero had mental health issues which they were honest about prior to getting into pickup and I believe this often forgotten about when people are analysing the reasons behind their suicide. 

    Mental health problems leave men behind in the sexual market place requiring PUA in the first place 

    Both Johnny and Torero documented their mental health issues , with Torero suffering from anxiety and depression at university and Johnny suffering from an abusive household along with being severely bullied , Johnny often discussed his learning difficulties which makes his career as a postman turned life coach unsurprising..

    The Neurodivergence issues which Johnny had made his life seemed a lot more fucked up than Tom’s in hindsight , with him being honest about learning disorders and other mental health issues. In 2017 he seemingly was hospitalised for having a mental breakdown too and then still continued on coaching in 2018 and producing content .  Tom had less issues , he was an oxbridge grad turned teacher so career and education wise he seemed to be more on the straight and narrow than Johnny.

    I mean this is an obvious problem in my life too  – as someone who suffered a lot of social isolation at high school I could definitely relate. When I was young I was a computer nerd who did little other than playing video games , this obviously made me less desirable to women and made me lose out competition wise against other more competent males .   Men can fall behind in the sexual market place if they have bad habits and neurodivergence, addictions to porn/video games, depression and anxiety can all wreck havoc on a man’s smv .  In Johnny’s case he’d been honest about these problems + porn and prostitution makes it a tough battle to move forward in the sexual market place . Compare these guys’ problems to coaches like Paul Janka who are Harvard graduates and handsome model looking – it’s difficult to make the case that these inferior guys have a decent chance of making it out of pickup without a load of appraoches and even then when they have women its difficult to keep them around due to these mental issues. In Tom’s case he was actively against LTR’s and spoke out against them on numerous occasions- he’d also been divorced prior to getting involved in pickup so this could be seen as a reason for him not wanting a life outside of pickup and “moving on ” to another stage in his life.

    Didn’t have anything other than game ?

    I disagree , “you’re not in alignment with who you are “ by Sasha – its just word salad, In a tom torero meet-up in 2018 I met a lot of accomplished guys who had decent work and life but for them they just weren’t approaching or meeting enough people in their day to day . Having a purpose definitely helps but the majority of men are single in the west I believe due to lack of volume and work ethic in daygame rather than lack of purpose or aspirations in my opinion . Tom Torero for example was oxbridge educated , traveled a lot and led a very interesting life far more interesting than mine I’d add and much more accomplished education wise. Berba was less so but still he seemed well read and was passionate about fitness , with his anxiety, learning difficulties  and ocd it would’ve been hard for him to develop into anything much better than what he was. 

    Roosh V’s as an example I think he personally looked better and was healthier when he was doing pickup and I blame his mental collapse on the death of his sister rather than anything else. Indeed Roosh V’s impact was huge- his forum is still very popular today and I respect him for what he’s done during pickup more so than the religious quack he is now. I’d argue he’s less aligned with a purpose now leaving game than he was when doing game . 

    The Irony of Life coaches that cannot take control of their own lives 

    This is very common and something that I’ve blogged about before on numerous occasions – the fact that Johnny Berba was hospitalised in 2017 for mental health issues and still went about charging for life coaching is somewhat ironic. But you see it all the time in the self help industry as well as the pua industry-  people who are obviously not ok charging for advice from other people about how to heal their anxiety when it seems that Johnny himself could not control his own. The hypocrisy of self help and men’s development – 

    Johnathan Neil Thomson  from The natural lifestyles-  had frequent mental breakdowns in parts of James Marshall’s biography then became a coach for him despite obviously being a bit of nutcase. Eventually he himself betrayed James and ended his friendship with him.

    Tom Torero would tell everyone in his podcasts to “man up” then eventually killed himself after the Danya Hajjaji article pushed him over the edge and destroyed his income. Maybe if he had better control of his mental health and had he seeked some help he’d still be here today. 

    In Jonathan o’halloran’s (Johnny Berba’s real name) case the irony of a postman turned life coach who approaches women whilst having obvious cognitive issues and dyspraxia is also lost upon some of the newer members of the pua community. It was clear meeting Johnny in 2018 that all was not well due to his poor dress sense , scruffy look, spam approaching style and unkept beard that i believed even after a few minutes that this guy was not well. I found out 7 years later that he had been hospitalised the year prior for mental health issues so that comes to no surprise finding out about it now . Yet I still had wingmen that hired him for coaching and it was clear a lot of men saw him as relatable – maybe it was his anxiety problem, his past history with porn and prostitute addiction that many in the community have that made him a relatable figure-  sometimes the sheer deficiencies of dating coaches make them a more attractive individual to hire for coaching  than say a James Marshall , a Paul Janka or a James Tusk.  This “vulnerability” and “honesty” is marketable to a degree for the pua community – but to what extent do these vulnerabilities and honest attitudes simply just laziness . 

    Visually even before his death it was clear to see that Johnny didn’t look well

    “Do the work” isn’t enough 

    I mean on a basic level it’s just such a vague concept and one thing that struck me off about dating coaches. Sasha Daygame identifies “innerwork” “ self healing” but the reality is that dating is extremely competitive nowadays men need to do a tonne of innerwork plus approach , plus maintain their health, dress and SMV . Even someone like Sasha Daygame delivering this message is itself ironic seeing despite being in the dating game for some 15 years the guy still dresses like complete shit and now shills shitcoins on the Solana ecosystem. Again another example of the hypocrisy of dating coaches- “fix your problems now dear student “ – now give me $200 an hour whilst I procrastinate over my own deficiencies. 

    The expectation placed upon men is indeed at an all time high whilst the potential pitfalls of failure are higher than ever too .  The fact that some people criticise Johnny Berba for approaching without “fixing himself” is laughable – he had obvious mental issues from the beginning that weren’t ever going to be fixed- even when I met him in 2018 I could see that he was mentally not well in the head. For these guys the hope in a sexually competitive market place like London is slim when you combine it on his  mental health, financial and cognitive issues  its obvious that Johnny was far too damaged beyond a repair. In the video posted the fact that Paul Janka is commenting  on the flaws of pickup is also a bit unfair – Paul Janka has 100 times the smv of Johnny Berba- of course that means Johnny Berba has to spend more time approaching women that the average dude. Neuro-developmental disorders , anxiety and depression likely leave men in the dust and they need to work hard to catchup on time wasted. I found this to be the case with myself , i spent a lot of years in high school wasting time not developing my smv, not reading , not going to the gym and not dressing well well it’s no shock that women picked other men over me.

    The sexual marketplace is increasingly  more competitive 

    This no doubt contributes more to the loneliness of men. The fact that women now can get 2000-3000 matches on dating apps in major cities means men have to do a lot more work to feel love and appreciated – this obviously means more time is required to spend on dating and approaching and I feel its important to men’s development to spend that time acquiring social skills to move up the sexual market place .  Men must do more inner work than ever and if they don’t they face being left behind at a faster pace than previous generations .  Indeed theres rising inequality between men and women in the sexual marketplace – this means that some men will invariably need to do more work than others to move up in said sexual marketplace. Add the mental , neurodevelopment issues that berba had and you’ve got a long way to go. For some that journey in a hyper-competitive city might be too much- I certainly feel that  in the west men have a lot more work to do than in the east. Which is why Sasha’ message is quite a confusing one – the amount of work needed varies from man to man and most likely those in pickup need to do more than others but a portion of said men are most likely too behind the curb in the west to be competitive therefore moving to a less competitive city seems a better idea to improve the slim  dating prospects low value men in the west are getting down- heck Johnny Berba himself spent a large portion of his time gaming in eastern Europe so too did Torero its obvious that deep down they must of known that the competitive nature of the western world of dating was probably not worth the squeeze . 

    Loss of Income and Revenue can’t be discounted 

    It’s obvious that both Johnny Berba and Tom Torero dealt with a loss of revenue during covid I mean we are talking a solid years’ worth of coaching revenue gone for both- that would hurt anyone bad, but especially when you add up the history of mental health issues that these guys had in the past it could take its toll – particularly seeing as Berba had tax debt and was probably not making much money prior to coaching (he was a postman before this showing he clearly wasn’t exactly balling it out)  and judging by his appearance and his poor health he didn’t look particularly wealthy.  Torero too was living out of a van for most the time , so he too didn’t seem to be financially “crushing it” so to speak he had also had his WhatsApp and Paypal payment accounts closed because of the Danya Hajjaji article. 

    Torero’s Coaching Revenue had fallen sharply post Covid with the deletion of his paypal, whatsapp and youtube channel

    Pickup Can be Therapeutic 

    In general I don’t see the harm with talking to women on the street, the relationships that are formed from doing so can be therapeutic – to blame this for their deaths is borderline laughable really I mean – these guys had a tonne of other issues they couldn’t resolve the fact that they had sex with some women on the street is the last of their issues. I think for the majority of men making conversations with strangers and putting yourself out there is the key to creating options which in turn can reduce loneliness . 

    Some men have a long way to go in an increasingly competitive world . 

    When watching Johnny Berba’s old videos of him coaching clients it was clear that a lot of them had some major disadvantages in their smv – either they were short, old, had features of autism , Asperger’s or Dyspraxia – all in all it was evident that some of these clients needed help more so than just approaching women. There was one memorable client who appeared to have buck teeth who showed little progress after his 6 week programme, who had major issues in terms of dress and still seemed very anxious in sets even by the end of the programme. I don’t think this is Johnny’s fault though- a coach can only really work with the boundaries of SMV he is provided with by his clients- if one is a male 2 then sending that man into sets with 7s and 8s is very unlikely to yield anything – some people have to work on themselves far more than others especially in competitive cities like London which are ruthless and unforgiving .  Daygame can bridge a gap between a few points of smv and not much else imo and I feel at times self help coaches ignore these facts and instead choose to take the clients money and send them into the trenches without any real rational thought behind what could be done to really fix their issues. 

    Ideally a client should be at least a male 6 or a 7 THEN pickup should be a good way for them to increase their options – any lower and you’re looking at a big numbers game for people . To paraphrase in Sasha daygame’s  style in this case i’d say its time to “Do the work” on yourself , some of Johnny’s clients seemed in the lower levels of “left behind men – older, visually strange especially that buck tooth guy and really had serious issues with anxiety that wasn’t fixed – these people need a lot of time compared to most .

    The community is pretty weak 

    Given how diminished the views of Johnny’s content was it was clear he had been shadow banned and unable to regain his popularity- again im sure this shadow banning probably harmed his income – less views = less clients the same with Tom Torero .  Also due to covid there were no longer any real “meet-ups” in the pua community- the community couldn’t come together and discuss the issues , there were more Puas going out of business than staying in the game and covid simply exacerbated this  , the forums were dying / did die, groups like game global didn’t provide an adequate substitute for the loss of the community. Looking at Johnny Berba’s posthumous video releases they also appear to be gaining a fraction of the views they once did showing the popularity simply isn’t there even in honouring the death of someone who had a huge impact. 

    The Media’s Roll 

    In Tom Torero’s case Danya Hajjaji was an obvious cause , it was her article and her action of revealing Tom’s tactics in which he would record the taking of a girl’s virginity by voice note- I have to critique Tom for his actions here, if you know that the media are coming up after pickup artists then surely you’d spend some time to more adequately cover your tracks no? Berba wasn’t as impacted by the media as Tom was – infact his main criticisms came from other pua’s most notably John Anthony who would make videos mocking Berba- in fairness John Anthony’s infield was not much better and the videos he criticised Anthony in were Berba himself was deliberately humiliating himself. Nevertheless others in the community shared a dislike for Berba – me personally I saw him as erratic and mentally unstable as I said before when I met him in person in 2018  I later found out that he had been hospitalised for mental issues in 2017 so this came as no surprise to me .  Again I found it weird this guy looked a bit like a slob and was coaching guys to become their best self , it seemed ironic and borderline hypocritical but that’s just my view.  Whilst Berba was never attacked by the media himself the backlash against pua caused by the infamous BBC documentary caused his channel to become shadow banned-  the views dropped for him so too did the YouTube ad revenue and new clients in a similar fashion to Tom Torero. Johnny was not directly impacted but suffered a lot – add a lockdown in and it becomes clear that these factors rather than the pickup itself was  clearly causing the mental distress that could have instigated the OCD that eventually killed him. 

    Conclusions 

    Pickup is often blamed for a lot of things that I don’t think it deserves to be. In the case of Jonhny Berba and Tom Torero deaths I believe there are a number of more pressing issues that resulted in the deaths of these two individuals than pickup. More so – Johnny’s obvious Dyspraxia , cognitive issues, depression, history of anxiety from a young age , financial issues, tax burden, loss of revenue from covid probably played a greater roll than sex addiction – the same could be said for Torero who had issues years before pickup. From this I conclude that pickup was not the cause of their deaths in my opinion. 

  • The majority of dating coaches in the space advocate for moving to a country where your smv is higher – the age old saying of “go where you are treated best” Today I will be discussing reasons as to the potential consequences of doing this and situations where It might not work out. 

    Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

    Example – Thailand Passport Bros: 

    There are literal YouTube channels that have interviews dedicated to those who met Thai wives abroad and had these said Thai wives divorce them and take  everything from them . There are even instances of said men committing suicide after a divorce.  If we see an interview with one of them below- 

    This guy is clearly autistic, probably has Asperger’s – is a social recluse – its probably that women target these sort of men as a better looking one would potentially have options  .This man himself in this story picked up his Thai girlfriend from online dating using a classic Thai dating website. These sort of men are very vulnerable because its clear on the face of it that they have no experience with women and are unable to know when they are being taken for a ride. The result – an easy avenue for the woman to get a passport with said woman lying about abuse he allegedly face against said man in a proceeding court case- now this no doubt causes a huge mental drain on the guy and an example where some women who are into you may have ulterior motives. If theres ever a huge gap in sexual market value between two individuals – especially an obvious visual one like the example posted above there’s a potential that the one lower down in terms of socio-economic SMV could be taking advantage of the other – this is almost always the woman but there are examples of young men taking advantage of vulnerable women in the third world too – examples of this in places like Egypt where young Egyptian men marry and divorce old western women.

    A Malaysian Man Discusses how Thai women trick naive westerners into parting ways with large amounts of cash in relationships

    In the example above a Malay man recounts his experience being used for money in a relationship with a Thai woman. He also explains the socio-economic factors behind this with Thailand’s deterring economic situation and rising inequality being one of the main drivers. He also speaks about men being lonely in the West and being taken advantage of in marriages in the East. With Thai women well aware of what their love and affection can do to manipulate the man into parting with large amounts of cash.

    Are these men lazy? Most definitely – they could easily stick it out and do a couple of 100 approaches in the UK and actually fight for a decent relationship – but most men take the easy way out or take the first option that reacts positively to them – in the case of this fat autistic guy it’s evident to anyone with a half decent level of experience with women that he was being used-  you don’t need to be an expert on relationship dynamics to figure that out but its clear his lack of experience with the opposite sex it’s just having him taken to the cleaners and a large percentage of men who go to Thailand to take advantage of their high smv end up in bad positions . Often it’s their inexperience that gets taken advantage of rather than anything else and usually the men who pick the Thai brides have a large amount of inexperience so much so they are willing to marry any half decent chick that comes their way. 

    It’s not just inexperienced that get taken advantage of – in the Thai talk with dan podcast you do see some fairly decent smv men still be taken advantage of in relationships with women – the host who is a guy who left Manchester to move to Thailand before dating a Thai chick who tried to cut herself whenever he wanted to leave her. The result – the man was entrapped in the relationship and made to look like an abuser- again when theres too much difference in sexual market value you see the potential for one person to be taken advantage of in the relationship by the other and the person with “superior smv” ends up being entrapped in the relationship.

    Thai Talk With Dan Podcasts discusses the manipulations many men take when in relationships with Thai Women.

    Modern Day Views on Thai Brides 

    For all that’s said and done the modern interview on the  Thairsh times  YouTube channel are really interesting. For all the stick Rollo Tommasi gets in his “Rational Male Series”  They do paint a picture to prove Rollo’s theories are at least somewhat real in some circumstances – stories of Thai wives being manipulative , using weak low smv men for cash and the real examples of hypergamy on display within Thai culture. With Thailand having the divorce rate of some 80 percent it is estimated by the Malay  interviewee posted previously – the risks of dating and looking to establish a long term relationship are very real in Thailand and definitely have consequences at hand which people more often than not gloss over with romantic love or infatuation – the fact is 80 percent of passport bros in Thailand are likely to lose long term in LTRs should ring alarm bells.  Sometimes nihilism and negative apprehension in the short term can protect one from the very real consequences of divorce and shitty marriages in the long term. 

    Korean Men and Vietnamese Brides 

    Again in a similar way to the British men with Thai brides situation we have Vietnamese  brides moving up the sexual market place to marrying Korean men- these men are usually considered an after thought by Korean women – with the men blaming them for being too demanding or a modern day pua term- Hoeflation. Where the socio economics of a certain country or region mean the hoes become overly demanding for the value that they add from my experience this is more commonplace in London/Hong Kong/ Singapore / Korea and the US – in predominantly richer cities.

    The end results of these bridal marriages were an equal or so divorce rate to that of regular couples in Korea which was interesting to see and the results were mixed with a portion of these weddings ending up in ok happy and for filled marriages , others were the girls just robbed the guys’ shit with some being the guy just abusing the girl. So the reactions from this documentary were ultimately mixed showing that in some cases a high sexual market difference didn’t always lead to the men getting f’ed over in a divorce with this documentary concluding the the fuck ups were actually equal to those of regular marriages. Again the men in this documentary entering these marriages seem more on the side of the autism – Aspergs with relatively lower SMV to regular men. 

    American Tourists getting Killed in Colombia Whilst Using Tinder 

    Once again passport bros show their inexperience in certain places and non more evident than here – with women inviting them out via dating apps like Tinder and spiking their drinks – this is prone to happening in any places but mainly in developing countries where bar girls work taking advantage of naive people . Whilst on tinder in Latvia in 2018 I was messaged on many an occasion by said bar girls on tinder –  a lot of these women wanted to meet me that night there and then which was too good to be true. No woman on online dating will make you her immediate priority and if she is she’s most probably a bar girl .  Have some respect for yourself and arrange a date a day or two later instead of immediately meeting up with these women and if it looks too good to be true it probably is. 

    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68022288

    With this article I feel bad – but again a lack of experience in social dynamics and self awareness can often lead to men being exploited and taken advantage of . Dumb people/ Autistics/ Spergers  in general get taken advantage of with their lack of social awareness of being manipulated – indeed one of my Asperger’s friends got scammed in Ukraine by a bar girl in 2018 – he matched with her on tinder and met up with her that night on tinder at her location only to be hit with a £2000 bill at the end of the drinks- the lesson here if someone on tinder wants to meet you up then are there at their place immediately after matching them don’t do it. 

    Tips for not being taken advantage of on Tinder: 

    Most of this is common sense but ill write some of it here just incase for those of you that are new reading this: 

    • Don’t agree to meet up the same night you match someone 
    • Always make a location to a bar or coffee shop of your choice not hers – if she insists on her location its a sign she might be a bar girl 
    • If you’re in latin america insist on a popular coffee shop in a mall – somewhere where you know you can’t get spiked – same thing for south east Asia – chose a competent location where you can’t get taken advantage of 
    • Never send money to any girl ever- its the biggest red flag you’re being catfished. 
    • Never send nudes to any girl ever- this could potentially lead to possible black mail cat fishing scams 

    The old school Louis Theroux Thai Bride Documentary 

    This documentary did the rounds in 2003 on the BBC showing what could best be described as low smv men going to Thailand and looking for love there- The drawback? A lot of these men again ended up getting divorced quickly and would marry extremely quickly- in this documentary sometimes after a day or two. One of the men in the documentary highlighted below is clearly a nutcase and that women seems to want to escape poverty in Thailand and would rather marry a nutcase than stay in Thailand which is kinda sad. All in all when men try and desperately fix their problems under illusions of marriage to seem like the problem is gone – the reality is the lack of game, the lack of self awareness of the opposite sex is still abundantly evident and when you don’t have those social skills there are no quick fixes. Marrying a person escaping  poverty doesn’t fix lack of game. 

    Of course the man in this documentary had been through 2 divorces whether they were his fault or not remains to be seen but they most likely were as he displays pretty bad  retardation in this documentary. A life without learning social skills you can end up here being used as someone’s ticket to a passport or alone – men need to be proactive about their life problems at all costs.

    My own family – potential passport bros being taken advantage of 

    As I’ve written before on numerous  my own brother was a dumbass aspergy passport bro who got taken advantage of . He met a Russian woman online at age 20 and flew out to Russia and consequently married her – the reasons he did this were varied . Firstly he went to an all boys school from around the age of 13 to 18 and didn’t make many friends – he ended up socially isolated with no female companions whatsoever – so naturally the first woman who showed interest in him online which happened to be a female 3 from a remote part of Russia – he flew out and married.  

    Again my brother has been on the Asperger’s spectrum his whole life which no doubt left him in a vulnerable position to be manipulated by any woman- had it not been this Russian woman it would’ve most likely been someone else. Said Russian woman then cheated on him with three other men during the course of the relationship even after he had kids she was still cheating on him. 

    Ive written about his marriage on three separate occasions in this blog alone -maybe sounding like a broken record on this issue but once again I reiterate that it shows how men can get taken advantage of in dating and relationships. My brother seemingly had this romantic fantasy that if he rescued a woman from poverty then she would stay loyal to her- alas she didn’t and it proved to me no matter what you do for a woman loyalty is never guaranteed . She can always up sticks and leave at any moment and visa versa. 

    I also note that a lot of men. Are permanently stuck in bad relationship situations due to the neurodevelopment or cognitive disorders- those on the Asperger’s spectrum will have to do a boatload more work developing social skills than those who aren’t for example.  Some can make it and I’ve seen autistic/aspergey people do well . Others will suffer however and continually be  cannon fodder for manipulative women- in the case of my brother he kept on marrying women from the third world and serving as an easy gateway to British citizenship for them as a result. 

    Conclusions 

    Most of this blog is common sense for the majority of people who read this blog who aren’t new to pickup artistry but I still see naive men making the same mistakes while gaming in the third world. Passport broing can feel great- the feeling of being accepted, lusted for and respected is something that every man wants but its important to be self aware when you’re being manipulated and taken advantage of. For all the criticism “PUA” gets it provides invaluable experience when done correctly that most men are lacking , the more social situations you put yourself in the better you will be equipped to face life’s challenges and not fall victim for such scams- some of which in extreme cases can prove fatal. Going to the third world to improve ones dating odd’s isn’t a bad idea it just needs to be done with discipline and caution which I believe a significant portion of western men don’t have.

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London/Nice/San Francisco so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

    • Just to be clear I am a huge Anthony Dream Johnson fan – his convention speakers have inspired most of the works on this blog – I’d say at least 80 percent of this blog could be credited to having the based of its ideas on Anthony’s conference . However its fall has been quite a remarkable one. The largest men’s self development conference is now at an end and I will discuss why in this blog post: 

    Questionable Speaker Choice

    John Anthony’s appearance on the 21 convention was the most “thumbs downed” speech ever of the convention’s history . With him proving to be the most polarising speaker ever in the convention’s history. John Anthony then made roast videos of Anthony Johnson followed by Anthony Johnson roasting him back for fucking a tranny. But John Anthony wasn’t the only questionable speaker in the panel , Arthur Kwon Lee was another oddball  – a heavily steroid using Korean Christian artist posting pro Nazi shit – in my opinion a complete loon bag   , Donovan Sharpe – a men’s self help coach who struggled really to date above a 2 himself , Jesse Lee Peterson who was against sex and hook up culture but is allegedly a closeted homosexual himself. There are countless more examples but you get the general gist – a lot of the speakers had weird ass past histories and weren’t particularly well received by the viewership .

    John Anthony’s 21 Convention Speech Proved to be the most “thumbs downed” speech of the convention’s history

    A lack of Clear – Defined Direction

    On the one hand there would speakers showing men how to rack up lays and on the other hand there would be a speaker critiquing hook up culture – there was generally a big flip flopping with a seemingly endless battle between conservative Christian Values  and PUA culture seemingly unable to find a decent conclusion . Of course you expect peoples views and experiences change over time but in my opinion it turned into too much of a conservative cesspool .

    Tanner Guzy did a video lecture about the importance of marriage before eventually surcomming to divorce himself

    Endless Falling out and Conflicts between Coaches 

    I can’t even list all the coaches Anthony Dream Johnson has had a conflict with – but ill try: 

    Anthony Dream Johnson got pissed off because Alex Cortez’ wife wouldn’t take his last name 

    Arthur Kwok Lee who Anthony had a conflict with because Anthony disliked his black pill viewpoints , also accused him of homosexuality , antisemitism and steroid use. 

    John Anthony- Anthony Dream Johnson was upset with his tranny lays subsequently lead to a twitter beef with John Anthony making a video mocking Anthony Johnson about his marriage to a prostitute . John Anthony also filed a threat of a law suit against Dream Johnson but nothing came of it. 

    Jay Vincent-  Anthony Dream Johnson wasn’t happy with his TRT usage and called him a fraud because of it . 

    Adam Lyons- 10 years after he spoke at the convention Dream Johnson came out and called him a fraud. 

    Rollo Tomassi- Apparently doxxed the convention and tried to hijack a meet-up between the speakers  with a liberal news host . This lead to a big falling out between the two of them with the conflict still ensuing even today on twitter. 

    Jesse Lee Peterson : Anthony Johnson  accused him of homosexual behaviour – not sure what came from those accusations nor whether or not they had been resolved . 

    Richard Cooper :  Richard complained about the safety of the convention which Anthony Johnson took as a personal insult resulting in a falling out between the two which  has seemingly been endless. 

    I could go on but you get the gist . 

    Rise of the Red Pill proved unpopular 

    Speakers like Rollo Tomassi and Richard Cooper generally speaking lost their appeal after a while despite raking in the views initially these people are sitting on a lot less views in general as of now- looking on reddit and seduction forums most of their work wasn’t taken too well by those in the seduction/ self help realm. 

    The new 21 Convention Patriarch Convention Rebranding proved less popular to the mass audiences compared to previous speakers at the event – Anthony Johnson has since had conflicts with numerous of these speakers

    Death of Key speakers and contributors 

    Tom Torero , Andrew the Private man and Alan Roger Currie dying no doubt left a hole that couldn’t be filled by the broader dating community. Particularly Tom Torero who’s still very much spoken about in the community at large and who’s podcast still gain a lot of viewership by those who’ve uploaded them to preserve his legacy.  With the deaths of these coaches comes very little replacements that are superior – Id go as far as saying no one has even attempted to come out and replace the hole these speakers have left or match the level of the content they made – especially Torero.  Replacing Tom Torero with Alex from PWF is akin to replacing a Ferrari with a Peugeot 208  , it’s just not the same and most likely after time passes these people will be thought of as irreplaceable. 

    The retirement of key coaches like Liam Mcrae and Sasha Daygame bred an aura of less excitement around the convention. For one these coaches were more relatable to the younger generation of viewers rather than say a Texas Dom or Ross Jeffries – definitely the reliability element had somewhat gone out the window replaced with coaches that were more associated with traditional American Christian  conservative values rather than anything else. Is this a bad thing though ? As it could be seen to be showing  growth and maturity however the YouTube views suggest otherwise- the likes of James Marshall , Sasha daygame , Liam Mcrae dominated the new generation of coaches like Texas Dom, Tanner Guzy, Elliot Hulse in terms of views . 

    Ex-Speakers Faced Allegations that harmed the 21 Convention Brand 

    Whether it be John Anthony sleeping with a tranny or Adam Lyons being exposed as a scammer- the amount of ex speakers that faced questions about their past increased and thus so did the mistrust associated with them. A lot of 21 convention speakers have done odd things and said actions have reflected poorly on Anthony Johnson in turn – not that I blame him though- self help has always been full of gurus and shysters so the fact that a percentage of the 21 convention speakers turned out that way is no surprise.  There are people that i looked up to in the past that Im well aware have made mistakes and have since been exposed.

    Black Listing from Youtube 

    Due to Anthony Johnson’s polarising viewpoints on feminism he’s had a lot of his videos blacklisted as well as demonetised. This has resulted in less views and a loss of revenue for the convention . Especially in the last 3 years when his channel was once even banned only for it to be unbanned on appeal. 

    Birth of his daughter 

    Of course the birth of his daughter no doubt took alot of the focus away from the convention on his newborn and rightly so. Its difficult to build new connections and new speakers when you are so preoccupied with something as important as the birth of a new born. 

    PUA Community -Divisions and Conflicts

    Even outside of Anthony Johnson there was a lot of external conflicts between different coaches. For example – James Marshall and his beef with John Anthony,  Tom Torero and his beef with Nick Krauser , Nick Krauser himself also having a beef with John Anthony  the conflicts were seemingly endless between the speakers making it difficult to create some sense of “unity” that the early 2010 speaker groups seemingly had .

    Conclusions 

    21 Convention has had a rough ride the last couple of years  , with bad press , poor ticket sales , unpopular Neo-conservative speakers , poorer quality dating coaches , a clear lack of a defined red pill direction and other issues.  While these are problems and the convention may never make a comeback towards what it once was I still appreciate all of Anthony Dream Johnson’s efforts – without the speeches of James Marshall, Tom Torero and Liam Mcare most likely I wouldn’t have a girlfriend today and I’m forever indebted to him for that. 

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London/Nice/San Francisco so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

    Decided to write a blog post regarding Online Dating and it’s impact on men and men’s self help and development. Im sure many of you have had success with online dating and I don’t doubt it but in my opinion for the majority of men it’s a dead end and I want to provide my reasons as to why.

    What Online Dating Did to Men

    • It essentially killed the PUA community – I mean considering search terms on google for the term PUA peaked in 2016 around the time when dating apps really started to gain traction.  The idea of men coming together and really sharing ideas around dating and male/female intersexual dynamics are pretty much dead . There are still some active forums- most notably -Reddit Seduction , SkilledSeducer, So Suave and Kill Your Inner Loser – however these don’t have anywhere near the foot traffic that they did back in the day. For example even in 2017 you could see the RSD forum was pretty well populated enabling users to find wingmen very easily.  Furthermore you  could attend meet ups and genuinely connect with like minded individuals – now that’s almost a thing of the past. Most the top tier value men in the pickup space or those that were perhaps going to go into pickup instead found themselves being satisfied for the urge on dating apps leaving only a few top tier men left dedicated to approaching with the rest  of the them being  either mid tier and the majority being low tier – autistic/ Asperger’s types. The result arguably  gleaned the top tier men from the community – the ones best capable of setting a good example to the rest leaving the need for guidance and maturity by the medium to low smv types unfulfilled – in other words the remaining men had few options of “high value” smv men to follow . 
    • Less men in the community no doubt means that there are less people to coach – its no wonder that so many dating coaches have gone into retirement in the last 2- 7 years most notably Yad, Sasha Daygame, Tony Solo, Johnathan Neil Thomsen , Liam Mcrae and travel bum  all of whom retired in a short space of one another- now I know that money alone wasn’t the sole factor to their retirements but I believe it was defiantly a contributing factor to at least some of their retirements and I believe if the convenience of online dating didn’t exist these people would still be making a substantial amount and probably a good portion of them would still be working. 
    • Women are more sexually satisfied now and are able to achieve hypergamous dating strategy thus leading to “hoeflation” in the Western world . I definitely think this is something that’s happened as a result of online dating – women now have more cock at their disposal with ease and don’t have to do much to climb up the sexual market place anymore . In contrast men were left working harder for less and had to really hustle hard especially in the western world. This left women feeling more entitled and needing to put less effort in to date men. The result a situation which leaves men feeling frustrated and women with all the choice. 
    • Online dating is essentially winner takes all capitalism in action-  I mean I wouldn’t personally brand it as anything else. – quite literally 1 percent of men are fucking and picking up 80 percent of the chicks on there and even an average girl can manage 1000s of matches pretty easily. Only the very top tier men stand to benefit from this development with some trickle down to the male 8s and 7s but overall for the majority of men they stand to gain very little from online dating.  As for women the mid tier 6s and 7s will inevitably be absorbed by the fuck boy 9s and 10s and potentially messed around with men who want them for short term mating strategy but who will ultimately strive for better long term. The result leaves mid tier women potentially frustrated with the bottom tier probably dating slightly out of their league SMV wise on the apps .
    • Is society pushing back though – there’s an argument to be said for this-the crash of stock for dating app “bumble” (an app in which women message men first)  showed that human nature can’t be messed around with – women ultimately want someone to open them and show some leadership instinct in the interactions – that being said Im  sure bumble has been successful for some men and women but judging by stock market share price and general users dropping I can’t help but think the majority are not finding  success with this app – a similar argument could be said for match.com which endured a similar stock price crash most likely emulating from user fatigue with the apps and of course it’s the hot women that keep this app running and the majority of them are probably being approached in real life plus being Instagram DMed  , Social circle/Clubs, Facebook dating or messaged on a variety of other dating apps like Hinge or Coffee meets bagel , language meet up apps etc. and the majority of attractive women can usually break into high tier social circles simply because they are attractive unlike men who usually have to do more to earn an upgraded social circle . The choice for beautiful women these days is seemingly endless so an app that makes men open first or an app that requires extensive work like match.com probably isn’t worth the time anymore for a desirable woman. 
    • A possible lust for real life interaction?  Tom Torero said in one of his penultimate podcasts before his death that he foresaw a situation whereby real life interaction would be lusted upon and a move away from online will happen and to some extent the crashing of the bumble and match.com share price probably somewhat proves that there is a movement towards this happening.  However the pua community has remained smaller than ever- gone are the days of a 2004 style lair meet-ups or being inspired by watching Adam Lyons spin a chick on the street . Funnily enough my Aunt told me one of the things she liked about my relationship was the fact that me and my girlfriend met face to face (was a daygame approach for me) which she felt was romantic and nice to see in an era where everyone met online. 
    • Online dating made men lazy- why put up with ego shattering approaches when you can hide through a screen and not face any harm to your ego and risk looking uncool. Indeed I see the appeal – for me I never enjoyed being commoditised online hence why I moved to daygame plus my results online bar one Brazilian model  lay  in Brazil were generally just shit.  Of course the same could be said for the laziness it invokes in women – women can simply edit their photos or use old ones of their prime to display themselves at their peak- the whole thing is pretty “inauthentic” and bordering on dishonest. Of course I’ve seen my male friends also edit their pictures for example using photos in favourable lighting and generally ones of their “absolute prime physique ” and not ones that are a true/fair depiction of themselves.  As someone who’s written a lot of online social media guides it might be somewhat hypocritical of me critiquing the aspect of “Fakeness” of online game but I use social media to prevent flakes from daygame  – to build trust and rapport rather than for online dating reasons. 

    My Family and Online Dating 

    My family have had mixed results from the life of online dating.  Two of my cousins met fantastic wives from it- my brothers however had less luck. My oldest brother had Asperger’s and with that came a lack of self awareness of when he was being used and manipulated by the opposite sex .  The result- he ended up meeting a Russian woman online at aged 20  flying out to Russia and then getting divorced once she came back to London after securing a British passport (she cheated on him with three other men). Online dating had just enabled female hypergamy to take place and for a woman to use the internet to basically take advantage of a man with a neuro developmental disorder . Online dating can be dangerous for certain autistic men and those with Asperger’s . I’ve personally know men with Asperger’s who’ve gone on online dates with women on tinder in Ukraine only to end up in a scam bar and paying thousands of dollars in “drinks bills” There are also examples in Colombia of naive American tourists having their drinks spiked whilst on online dates and ended up being murdered.  Online dating for men definitely comes with dangers compared with dating a regular woman on the street. With ulterior motives regarding the former likely especially if they’re picking up someone from the developed world like Ukraine or Colombia. 

    My second eldest brother had similar bad luck with online dating- it became his only source of leads and he ended up dating a single mother and being in a very tumultuous relationship – despite being a millionaire and a success it served as an example to me about the importance of creating good quality options and for most men online dating isn’t the route to that.  Maybe if my brother had better photos the situation would’ve been different but I doubt it- online dating made him somewhat stagnant and over-reliant  – he was basically at the mercy of an algorithm when it came to meeting people- had he had the balls to do cold approach he’d probably be in a far better position today . I feel online dating just completely plays to the advantage of women in almost all cases in western cities – enabling convenient hypergamy with just a few swipes of their phone leaving the majority men to have to compete over the scraps available . All In all it’s a pretty tough situation for any man to be in whether they have a huge amount of value or whether they don’t as my brother was an accomplished individual but he only got a level below his smv and could only do as best as this online algorithm could give him. 

    It’s not all doom and gloom for online dating 

    I have no doubts a lot of couples still meet online and that it can be a competent way for a certain percentage of men and women to meet online – indeed a lot of cities around the world daygame just isn’t feasible. For example in Dallas there just isn’t the footfall to do daygame, barely anyone walks from A to B there which makes it really unfeasible compared to cities like London, New York or Paris. So I understand for most people there its really online or nothing – maybe relying on social circle or university but once that dries out in the mid 20s then its really not feasible for the long term either.  So yeah a lot of people are stuck using it due to geographical issues but for the majority of men who live in a city with decent foot flow I hope they at least try 100-200 approaches of day game and see the difference it has the potential to make in their lives. 

    Instagram Dming Generation Don’t Really make Sense 

    It’s funny scrolling through reddit and seeing posts of people asking for the best opener on instagram without really understanding that for 99.999 percent of men instagram dming Is a complete waste of time – unless you have truly elite SMV it really won’t work out for you sending random dms to hot chicks who have 1,000s of horny men in their dms all the time- your message probably won’t get read by them.  The whole route of online dating has encouraged men to take the easy way out and look for quick hook ups – rather than actually working on the way they present and portray themselves in the real world they’re too fixated on looking cool online. The stats are against you in most forms of game and it’s none more evident than in online dating especially instagram dating. Now im not saying its impossible – but you really need elite pictures to make it work well whilst being in the top percent SMV wise  and most men simply aren’t. 

    Bumble’s stock price has Crashed – potentially showing modern day frustration with online dating.

    Online Dating Can’t mask bad SMV and can’t be relied upon for the vast majority of men  

    Even  Ex-The Natural Lifestyles coach Liam Mcrae who published a Tinder guide stated he saw daygame as the main prospect for his leads and Tinder as a side hustle – in the men’s dating community online guides sell well because they protect the ego of men who are simply too pussy to cold approach again that’s the big marketability of online dating – theres no rejection , no real facing of the toughness of life and having to really stand up for yourself as a man.  The online dating guides themselves don’t account for the simple fact that you realistically need to be in the top 5 percent of men to get decent prospects AND have good photos  . The majority of men don’t have the photos or the SMV to succeed so basically any guide or “online pickup line” won’t make up for their deficiencies – its pretty much a marketing scam for the majority of men . Daygame at least you learn leadership, confidence and communication skills with the right approach these are a display of smv and increase the odds of you dating “out of your league”   with online dating it’s the opposite for men – it just enables women to date out of their with men left waiting for what the algorithm can give them . 

    Online Dating Website Match – also shows a similar stock price crash

    Common Sense Statistic Dictates Men are Fucked in online dating

    On the most basic level an average 6/7 out of woman can expect to glean a few thousand matches via online dating (if she swipes right continually) this means even if you’re in the top 5-10 percent of men you’re still expecting huge competition of 50-100 other dudes. It’s therefore just getting harder and hard for men to stand out on these apps – even if you are in the top 50 out of 2000 you then need to somehow message your way to getting the woman out on a date and have the online rizz to get her away from the 100s of other men who are messaging her on the apps which is once again unlikely.

    Concluding thoughts

    Online dating certainly has its pros and cons – for some men its a great lead generator – and to repeat the quote from  Liam McRae in his book “Tinder Success Stories” should be only used in collusion with other forms of game- mainly daygame and social circle game. It shouldn’t be the only source you have of meeting women – the main gripe I have with online game is how it mutilated the men’s self development community and left men on their own swiping on couches having to plead to bring out a 7 on a coffee date.  It’s probably in the long run caused more harm to the majority of men – whilst leaving a few of the fuckboys at the top 1 percent to take all the wins. 

    If men are serious about their dating goals being proactive in real life is the best way. I hope men can move away from the apps and come back to the real world and actually show some leadership and intuition and go out there and approach but this seems like hopium. Men are slowly declining in the western world and I believe the overstimulation of technology and the connivence of apps may have killed our lust and desire to be proactive about our problems in life but then again- maybe I’m just a nihilist. 

  • Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London/Nice/San Francisco so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

    Been back in London for a while now so been adding some good dating locations that I have discovered on my travels whilst living here- I have 4 other guides that can be of use too so check them out for even more date locations and spots.  Most these places are for relaxed first date experiences that should be suitable for all budgets- 

    Shot London- Marylebone –  Decent coffee shop and can be used as a good starter date location , you can use this as the primary location and move onto other areas later including Nobu Marylebone which has a large drinks area downstairs or the Churchill Cigar house. 

    Shot London- Knightsbridge  

    A nice cozy coffee place that can be used as a prime first spot location- away from the noise and bustle of the rest of Knightsbridge this is another fantastic date location. 

    Shot London – Knightsbridge

    Hafız Mustafa – KnightsBridge 

    Located in the heart of Knightsbridge and adjacent to several bars – Hafiz Mustafa offers great teas and Sweet Treats the perfect low key first date location

    Good for an instant date spot if you’re out day gaming in Knightsbridge  – of course here is a more conservative part of London so don’t expect to be able to rapidly escalate on the first date -here should be used to initiate a bounce elsewhere – my recommendation would be Clap London which is roughly a 5 minute walk away from here.

    Served- Wimbledon – I don’t really write enough about South London date locations but heres one. There’s often been a lack of decent coffee shops in the Wimbledon area but this place seems pretty new and decent – if you’re gaming around the Wimbledon area this is a good place for an instant date. 

    Clap London- Knightsbridge: Great new rooftop bar near Knightsbridge station , another Dubai chain making the rounds- turns into a nightclub after dinner is served too- perfect place for drinks and the second location not a bad place to choose after Shot London or the Turkish coffee place. 

    Clap London- Knightsbridge, Serving Cocktails and with an upstairs bar and dj area

    Hagen Espresso Bar (Hagen Leadenhall Market) : The location of this place is absolute fire – beautiful looking and not well known by many tourists , its also located right next to a Young’s pub so its a good first spot to take a woman for a coffee before suggesting drinks – there’s also a Fortnum and Maison cafe adjacent to the coffee shop.

    A unique setup Hagen Expresso Bar- LeadenHall Market

    Mayfair/Green Park Area  – 

    The Dorchester Hotel

    The Dorchester Hotel – Plenty of places to sit on dates

    This hotel has 4-5 restaurants and is a quiet and intimate venue perfect for late night dates or “the last bounce” after a coffee/bar date. Located in central London yet no way near as loud as bars you will find in central- the couches are also great to build up intimacy during the date too .

    Lali Coffee Shop 

    Stylish place great for a first date – not too pricy and great seating – located near Mayfair in a not too croweded part of London as long as you can get couch seats this is a great place to go for a date. 

    Lali Cafe

    Maksu Mayfair

    Brand new Turkish place in Mayfair defiantly worth checking out- quiet- discrete with decent seating in addition. Serves some jazzy – unique drinks like Turkish lemonade and near several bars, hotels and pubs which can enable a second location  bounce. This place is often times empty as it’s essentially a clothes shop with a coffee shop attached to it.

     

    Farmshop –  Green Park  – This is an excellent place to grab a wine and is tucked away in Green Park away from the hustle and bustle of central London, its quiet and serves little bites to eat too, perfect for a second location bounce after an initial coffee. The wineshop is located on basement with the grocery store on the ground floor. The area surrounding this place is also good for an post- date walk with galleries nearby and loads of coffee shops that close relatively late around 8-10pm . 

    Farm Shop-Green Park Nestled in a quiet and often forgotten part of Central London with nearby coffee shops/ bars/galleries and parks to continue the date to after

    Sloane Square- 

    Knoops- 

    The Knoops in Sloane Square is unique as it has downstairs seating and in the Summer months its often pretty empty  showing a pretty cool and intimate place to have a coffee/ Hot Chocolate.  Most Knoops around London are decent first date location spots . 

    Hagen Expresso Bar Sloane Square : Located in Chelsea with the nearest station being Sloane Square – Address -151 King’s Rd, London SW3 5TX . Now there are a lot of these places all over London but this is still a good spot – Sloane square is now full of decent coffee shops and this is another one of them a first date location which has the opportunity of a bounce to a nearby restaurant for drinks which is located 5 minutes away from here is good too. 

    Hagen Expresso Bar King’s Road

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