Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London/Nice/San Fransisco so for those who want to network in the future please email darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks
Sasha Daygame
I will probably write a separate blog post on spirituality and daygame sometime in the near future. But most people in the dating world should be well aware of Sasha daygame’s impact. Whilst some people on SoSauve and the Skilled Seducer forums dislike him for being too immature , dressing badly and overly being an excessive lunatic at times it’s undoubtable that he had a big impact on the men’s dating world . His 21 convention speeches are still widely well received clocking up 100ks of views and its hard to detest that he didn’t have a positive impact.
But he still retired 2016ish and would often go heavily down the spiritual bath- I think some of his ideas like purchasing bitcoin were good and added genuine value. But his constant obsession with spirituality now, his poor dress and general woo woo religious demeanour makes him hard to take seriously now. I’d say Sasha Daygame was one of the influences who actually drove me away from religion – through him I saw spirituality as an excuse somewhat for laziness and lack of maturity. You’d think after being in the dating game for 20 years he’d learn to dress well.
But whatever you think of Sasha he racked up the views, he had great entrepreneurship success with James Marshall , Liam McRae and the rest of the natural lifestyles. I definitely agree with him on Covid being a scam- he promoted bitcoin during it’s infancy however he did recently dm me promoting shitcoins which i thought was a bit strange.
Success or No?
Most likely yes- I don’t think he is an elite daygamer by any means but someone who at least put himself out there- all be it I believe his popularity was more due to the lack of competition in dating coaching rather than his ability or skillset plus his whacky demeanour was very marketable . He seems to have declined physically somewhat and turned into a spiritual loon akin to Roosh V – would I like to end up like this? Most simply no.
Tom Torero
An example of maybe taking things to far- but then again he was dedicated . Torero was dominating the daygame scene from 2010 onwards and continued to make content up until his death in late 2021 through his podcasts and now deleted youtube channel . Again his career path gave him the fame but taking it so seriously probably is what ended up killing the man. Maybe his dedication to making supreme content was a little bit too much- after all voice recording the moment you take a Polish girl’s virginity can come across as excessive . Did he deserve death for this? No but the media campaign killed his mode of income with his PayPal and WhatsApp being canceled. I cover his death to a greater extent here: https://mindful-masculinity.org/2024/06/08/assessing-tom-toreros-death-two-years-on-thoughts/
Maybe if he was a little bit better at covering his tracks and knowing the direction the media were taking against PUA and daygame especially the crusade they’ve been on since 2018 but he didn’t really do enough and as a result once the main stream media found out about everything his career and livelihood was f’ed. Showing the work ethic and dedication to be one of the world’s best day gamers was what finished him off eventually showing that this is not really a “you get what you put in “ career path- the more content you seemingly make the more vulnerable you are open to attack from the MSM.
Success or Not ?
Arguably anyone who choses to off himself is a tragic ending- he inspired thousands and leads a legacy today even in his death. Still on the pua blogs and men’s self development forums many people discuss his ideas and his influences. His influence is undoubted – but even having lots of women was seemingly not enough to save him. Maybe a tragic example of the limitations of dating coaching in the modern world – or simply don’t record infield that leaves you vulnerable to a MSM attack. I’d say he was a resounding success given the influence he had on many of my wingmen but still a sad story nonetheless- I don’t think we will ever get a “New Tom Torero” or any leader of the dating realm with such an inspiring work ethic as him .
Yad Daygame
Everyones favourite obese Iranian Kurd – Yad was a phenomenon in the early 2010s – he announced his retirement at some stage between 2021-2022 Im not to sure of the exact year. He drew a name for himself of being a fat ugly obese guy that was able to pick up chicks – an inspiration to many average /below average looking guys that men with low SMV had the ability to date out of their league. His background majoring in a degree from Royal Holloway – he’s seen as an icon of the London Daygame model- He was an example that looks are an excuse- a man with a relentless drive and work ethic.
There are videos on the net that mock him and his playful attitude but I still see him as an inspiration to PUA community whilst I feel its somewhat uninspired and misled is this fallacy that low smv men can consistently date out of their league in areas where the competition is tough. Im yet to really see something like this that can honestly convince me this is true all things considered – is there an example of truly ugly men that have thrived in the dating world – most the mainstream coaches all had some value to some degree- whether it be a British passport (which Yad does have) or height , some sort of handsome looks when you look at James Marshall and Paul Janka. There’s always at least SOMETHING there for the coaches to have had. I m yet to see a credible dating coach come from the third world and really thrive- Yad still has some smv in that he’s a British Citizen and reasonably well educated. Maybe his disadvantages could be misleading to some people in thinking you can be a lazy slob and be good at pickup? On the other hand it showed that people with disadvantages could still get results even with a competitive dating environment.
The fact that he retired could have been an indication that he was either A. Tired of doing daygame having approached chicks for decades. B. The Rise of the me too movements may have killed the momentum and made it harder for him to get clients. C. The rise of the red pill made it harder to market a fat bum as someone who could date and fuck hot chicks. D. The revenue and interests in dating coaches isn’t there as much as it once was ( and James Marshall’s declining sales prove this) It could have been a combination of the 4 but I see it as no coincides that the timing of his retirement coincided with the fall of RSD, The fall of Tom Torero and the decline in TNL. Of course I don’t have Yads website data so I have no clue what’s really going on – most of this blog is just blindness -ill thought out speculation any.
Success or Not?
I’d say he’s a success – he maybe ridiculed now but he cashed in and made bang for his buck and seemingly left the industry unscathed other than a few online trolls. The guy was at least proactive and set an example for below average guys to actually do something and get out there.
Liam McRae
Honestly i see Liam McRae as the dating coach ideal- he came – sold a bunch of high ticket coaching to clients and left and seemingly married a model out of his daygame ventures – he is the ideal that we aspire to in the dating world . I have discussed Liam at Length in previous posts discussing his published books here: https://mindful-masculinity.org/2024/10/25/liam-mcrae-rapid-escalation2013-book-review/
Probably one of the few examples were a dating coach has succeeded and done what he set out to do – improve his dating results and settle down and marry a hot model wife . His two books Rapid Escalation and The Limitless Seducer were massive influences of mine as well as his Youtube content (which is now all deleted though) He lived the dream – the proof is in the pudding and as far as I am aware Liam is a desert buffet.
Success or Not
I guess from every perspective he’s a success in my eyes however one could argue the fact that most his content is no longer around is a shame but I guess it was his choice and probably a wise one to protect him and his partner from future media ridicule akin to Tom Torero.
James Marshall
The Natural Lifestyles fan or not it’s hard to disregard the impact of James Marshall even though his company isn’t making as many sales as it once was he built a fantastic team , garnered a very respectable 350k Youtube subs and accumulated millions of views . Bouncing back from divorce and 6 figure loses in business James has shown an incredible mental fortitude and resilience to build what he’s built. His book and 21 convention speeches are by far the most impactful content of dating I’ve ever watched in my life and I highly recommend them: https://mindful-masculinity.org/2024/10/12/james-marshalla-natural-history-the-seduction-journals-of-james-marshall-book-review/
The majority of my wingmen too have enjoyed his content although some argue he’s a very goodlooking guy that has some what used his looks to garner dating success and i think this is a decent argument but he still put the work in doing 1000s of approaches nonetheless.
Success or No?
Despite his current business issues which i talked about here :https://mindful-masculinity.org/2024/06/05/assessing-the-fall-of-james-marshalls-the-natural-lifestyles/
He was able to make dating coaching his sustainable career for something like 20 years or so undoubtedly I consider James Marshall a success by most means. He has a farm in Portugal, a flat in Budapest and has lived a life full of adventure it’s hard to think of someone who’s made better monetary success from pickup ( Simple Pickup aside ) His wingmen the likes of Liam Mcrae, Alex Leon, James Mclean, Tony Solo , Sasha Daygame , Robbie Kramer , John Thomsen , all have had positive influences in the dating world today arguably all of these people have been heavily influenced by James’ mentorship. He not only is a fantastic daygamer but one who was able to pass off his knowledge successfully to others.
Tanner Guzy
Everyone’s favourite Christian Mormon of the manosphere Tanner Guzy comes onto the list – look I know he’s not a dating coach per say but he still falls under the category of a man’s lifestyle coach most notably in teaching men how to dress – i still see his work as an invaluable example for men to improve their baseline smv something which a lot of my wingmen have struggled in the past has been the basic dress sense. Whilst he is twice divorced he has achieved a huge amount in his life already having some 6 children ( a men’s development coach with actual children who’d have thought), earning millions in coaching revenue, hundreds of thousands of youtube views , ted talks and a decent book release all whilst dealing with the burden of the death of his older brother is extremely impressive. A great example of mental grit and grind in the face of adversity for sure.
Success or Not?
In terms of entrepreneurship and impact an undoubted success – although him encouraging men to marry young does grind my gears- and i think his two divorces prove the threat of following a male influencer who’s promoting the idea of marriage whilst getting pounded by divorce after divorce . Religion and Pua just don’t mix – i think this guy could’ve dated a lot better had he waited and built his value first then got married however he’s stated countless times his children have been a huge motivation towards his success.
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