The majority of dating coaches in the space advocate for moving to a country where your smv is higher – the age old saying of “go where you are treated best” Today I will be discussing reasons as to the potential consequences of doing this and situations where It might not work out. 

Disclaimer: I am not a dating coach nor am I selling any dating products or services this blog is really for recreational usage to reflect on my previous experiences in daygame and to share my insight. For those wondering I am based in London so for those who want to network in the future please email: darrenpua1@gmail.com thanks

Example – Thailand Passport Bros: 

There are literal YouTube channels that have interviews dedicated to those who met Thai wives abroad and had these said Thai wives divorce them and take  everything from them . There are even instances of said men committing suicide after a divorce.  If we see an interview with one of them below- 

This guy is clearly autistic, probably has Asperger’s – is a social recluse – its probably that women target these sort of men as a better looking one would potentially have options  .This man himself in this story picked up his Thai girlfriend from online dating using a classic Thai dating website. These sort of men are very vulnerable because its clear on the face of it that they have no experience with women and are unable to know when they are being taken for a ride. The result – an easy avenue for the woman to get a passport with said woman lying about abuse he allegedly face against said man in a proceeding court case- now this no doubt causes a huge mental drain on the guy and an example where some women who are into you may have ulterior motives. If theres ever a huge gap in sexual market value between two individuals – especially an obvious visual one like the example posted above there’s a potential that the one lower down in terms of socio-economic SMV could be taking advantage of the other – this is almost always the woman but there are examples of young men taking advantage of vulnerable women in the third world too – examples of this in places like Egypt where young Egyptian men marry and divorce old western women.

In the example above a Malay man recounts his experience being used for money in a relationship with a Thai woman. He also explains the socio-economic factors behind this with Thailand’s deterring economic situation and rising inequality being one of the main drivers. He also speaks about men being lonely in the West and being taken advantage of in marriages in the East. With Thai women well aware of what their love and affection can do to manipulate the man into parting with large amounts of cash.

Are these men lazy? Most definitely – they could easily stick it out and do a couple of 100 approaches in the UK and actually fight for a decent relationship – but most men take the easy way out or take the first option that reacts positively to them – in the case of this fat autistic guy it’s evident to anyone with a half decent level of experience with women that he was being used-  you don’t need to be an expert on relationship dynamics to figure that out but its clear his lack of experience with the opposite sex it’s just having him taken to the cleaners and a large percentage of men who go to Thailand to take advantage of their high smv end up in bad positions . Often it’s their inexperience that gets taken advantage of rather than anything else and usually the men who pick the Thai brides have a large amount of inexperience so much so they are willing to marry any half decent chick that comes their way. 

It’s not just inexperienced that get taken advantage of – in the Thai talk with dan podcast you do see some fairly decent smv men still be taken advantage of in relationships with women – the host who is a guy who left Manchester to move to Thailand before dating a Thai chick who tried to cut herself whenever he wanted to leave her. The result – the man was entrapped in the relationship and made to look like an abuser- again when theres too much difference in sexual market value you see the potential for one person to be taken advantage of in the relationship by the other and the person with “superior smv” ends up being entrapped in the relationship.

Modern Day Views on Thai Brides 

For all that’s said and done the modern interview on the  Thairsh times  YouTube channel are really interesting. For all the stick Rollo Tommasi gets in his “Rational Male Series”  They do paint a picture to prove Rollo’s theories are at least somewhat real in some circumstances – stories of Thai wives being manipulative , using weak low smv men for cash and the real examples of hypergamy on display within Thai culture. With Thailand having the divorce rate of some 80 percent it is estimated by the Malay  interviewee posted previously – the risks of dating and looking to establish a long term relationship are very real in Thailand and definitely have consequences at hand which people more often than not gloss over with romantic love or infatuation – the fact is 80 percent of passport bros in Thailand are likely to lose long term in LTRs should ring alarm bells.  Sometimes nihilism and negative apprehension in the short term can protect one from the very real consequences of divorce and shitty marriages in the long term. 

Korean Men and Vietnamese Brides 

Again in a similar way to the British men with Thai brides situation we have Vietnamese  brides moving up the sexual market place to marrying Korean men- these men are usually considered an after thought by Korean women – with the men blaming them for being too demanding or a modern day pua term- Hoeflation. Where the socio economics of a certain country or region mean the hoes become overly demanding for the value that they add from my experience this is more commonplace in London/Hong Kong/ Singapore / Korea and the US – in predominantly richer cities.

The end results of these bridal marriages were an equal or so divorce rate to that of regular couples in Korea which was interesting to see and the results were mixed with a portion of these weddings ending up in ok happy and for filled marriages , others were the girls just robbed the guys’ shit with some being the guy just abusing the girl. So the reactions from this documentary were ultimately mixed showing that in some cases a high sexual market difference didn’t always lead to the men getting f’ed over in a divorce with this documentary concluding the the fuck ups were actually equal to those of regular marriages. Again the men in this documentary entering these marriages seem more on the side of the autism – Aspergs with relatively lower SMV to regular men. 

American Tourists getting Killed in Colombia Whilst Using Tinder 

Once again passport bros show their inexperience in certain places and non more evident than here – with women inviting them out via dating apps like Tinder and spiking their drinks – this is prone to happening in any places but mainly in developing countries where bar girls work taking advantage of naive people . Whilst on tinder in Latvia in 2018 I was messaged on many an occasion by said bar girls on tinder –  a lot of these women wanted to meet me that night there and then which was too good to be true. No woman on online dating will make you her immediate priority and if she is she’s most probably a bar girl .  Have some respect for yourself and arrange a date a day or two later instead of immediately meeting up with these women and if it looks too good to be true it probably is. 

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68022288

With this article I feel bad – but again a lack of experience in social dynamics and self awareness can often lead to men being exploited and taken advantage of . Dumb people/ Autistics/ Spergers  in general get taken advantage of with their lack of social awareness of being manipulated – indeed one of my Asperger’s friends got scammed in Ukraine by a bar girl in 2018 – he matched with her on tinder and met up with her that night on tinder at her location only to be hit with a £2000 bill at the end of the drinks- the lesson here if someone on tinder wants to meet you up then are there at their place immediately after matching them don’t do it. 

Tips for not being taken advantage of on Tinder: 

Most of this is common sense but ill write some of it here just incase for those of you that are new reading this: 

• Don’t agree to meet up the same night you match someone 
• Always make a location to a bar or coffee shop of your choice not hers – if she insists on her location its a sign she might be a bar girl 
• If you’re in latin america insist on a popular coffee shop in a mall – somewhere where you know you can’t get spiked – same thing for south east Asia – chose a competent location where you can’t get taken advantage of 
• Never send money to any girl ever- its the biggest red flag you’re being catfished. 
• Never send nudes to any girl ever- this could potentially lead to possible black mail cat fishing scams 

The old school Louis Theroux Thai Bride Documentary 

This documentary did the rounds in 2003 on the BBC showing what could best be described as low smv men going to Thailand and looking for love there- The drawback? A lot of these men again ended up getting divorced quickly and would marry extremely quickly- in this documentary sometimes after a day or two. One of the men in the documentary highlighted below is clearly a nutcase and that women seems to want to escape poverty in Thailand and would rather marry a nutcase than stay in Thailand which is kinda sad. All in all when men try and desperately fix their problems under illusions of marriage to seem like the problem is gone – the reality is the lack of game, the lack of self awareness of the opposite sex is still abundantly evident and when you don’t have those social skills there are no quick fixes. Marrying a person escaping  poverty doesn’t fix lack of game. 

Of course the man in this documentary had been through 2 divorces whether they were his fault or not remains to be seen but they most likely were as he displays pretty bad  retardation in this documentary. A life without learning social skills you can end up here being used as someone’s ticket to a passport or alone – men need to be proactive about their life problems at all costs.

My own family – potential passport bros being taken advantage of 

As I’ve written before on numerous  my own brother was a dumbass aspergy passport bro who got taken advantage of . He met a Russian woman online at age 20 and flew out to Russia and consequently married her – the reasons he did this were varied . Firstly he went to an all boys school from around the age of 13 to 18 and didn’t make many friends – he ended up socially isolated with no female companions whatsoever – so naturally the first woman who showed interest in him online which happened to be a female 3 from a remote part of Russia – he flew out and married.  

Again my brother has been on the Asperger’s spectrum his whole life which no doubt left him in a vulnerable position to be manipulated by any woman- had it not been this Russian woman it would’ve most likely been someone else. Said Russian woman then cheated on him with three other men during the course of the relationship even after he had kids she was still cheating on him. 

Ive written about his marriage on three separate occasions in this blog alone -maybe sounding like a broken record on this issue but once again I reiterate that it shows how men can get taken advantage of in dating and relationships. My brother seemingly had this romantic fantasy that if he rescued a woman from poverty then she would stay loyal to her- alas she didn’t and it proved to me no matter what you do for a woman loyalty is never guaranteed . She can always up sticks and leave at any moment and visa versa. 

I also note that a lot of men. Are permanently stuck in bad relationship situations due to the neurodevelopment or cognitive disorders- those on the Asperger’s spectrum will have to do a boatload more work developing social skills than those who aren’t for example.  Some can make it and I’ve seen autistic/aspergey people do well . Others will suffer however and continually be  cannon fodder for manipulative women- in the case of my brother he kept on marrying women from the third world and serving as an easy gateway to British citizenship for them as a result. 

Conclusions 

Most of this blog is common sense for the majority of people who read this blog who aren’t new to pickup artistry but I still see naive men making the same mistakes while gaming in the third world. Passport broing can feel great- the feeling of being accepted, lusted for and respected is something that every man wants but its important to be self aware when you’re being manipulated and taken advantage of. For all the criticism “PUA” gets it provides invaluable experience when done correctly that most men are lacking , the more social situations you put yourself in the better you will be equipped to face life’s challenges and not fall victim for such scams- some of which in extreme cases can prove fatal. Going to the third world to improve ones dating odd’s isn’t a bad idea it just needs to be done with discipline and caution which I believe a significant portion of western men don’t have.

Disclaimer: I’M not a dating coach I’m not trying to sell any services or coaching . This blog is just a few of my experiences in London . Im based predominantly in London, Nice/Monaco/Cannes ( South of France), Dubai  or Dallas. If you’re in any of these areas feel free to email me or hit me up for networking at darrenpua1@gmail.com No complete beginners or time wasters please must have some degree of maturity and value.

Things have changed a fair amount in the last 8 years from when I was learning about PUA . In the beginning my thought process was somewhat simple doing night game and day-game.  I learnt the bulk of my night game in 2014 originally from Simple Pickup seeing such average guys picking up hot women blew my mind. But it wasn’t until 2017 that I started really day gaming and meeting women during the day and until 2018 that I got my first significant day-game lays that really impacted my life and I began to meet and network with wingmen that would significantly improve my life and my way of thinking. But after observing the manosphere in the past 8 years there’s been a significant movement towards conservative/religious thought processes and ideologies most notably from 21 Convention, the rise of  , men’s self development and people who meet on forums discussing theory but with little basis for anything else. The rise of conservative/religious dating thought processes with men’s lifestyle coaches like Tanner Guzy, Rollo Tommas, Elliot Hulse and coaches that aim to reinstall traditional conservative values in the dating world made me feel is the community more divided than ever? 

I still post on Pua forums, why ? Because I like to give back, I like to provide free information to people and help them because there were coaches that did the same for me. Said coaches have now dropped out of the game, many have deleted their content (Liam Mcrae being one of them)  my instagram and social media guide for example which gained some praise by others was heavily influenced by Liam’s teachings – in fact I doubt I’d even be able to write the guide without his influence (Liam is now retired and has married a model) . So for these people I owe them a hell of a lot and Im  forever grateful for the hard work they entailed to make me who I am . I probably owe all my day-game lays and the loss of my virginity to a combination of TNL, 21 Convention, Simple Pickup, Tom Torero and Nick Krausser – without the hard  work of these collective coaches releasing content  I don’t know where I’d be . 

These viewpoints  on dating now are varied- even Anthony Dream Johnson the CEO of the 21 convention has seemingly changed his tune- Tom Torero’s being an extreme thought that LTRs were near impossible to maintain – given his divorce prior to getting into pickup it seems understandable – in the year leading up to his death he seemingly lamented LTRs of all kinds.  

 Tanner Guzy and  other newer 21 convention coaches  stated that hook up culture is something men need to grow out of in favour of more noble pursuits something which alot of the 21 convention coaches like Arthur Kwon Lee , Jesse Lee Peterson to name a few believe in. Then you have black pilled viewpoints inspired partly by Rollo Tomassi’s work and a new generation of men who are giving up on relationships, some could be seen as incels, others that are frustrated by the lack of loyalty and compassion shown by the opposite sex and some who are simply too far away from competing in the sexual market place. 

Dating , the sexual market economy to be precise has always fascinated me to a point where it became my passion. I love discussing these things, but nowadays the tide has turned away from the player lifestyle to the conservative reconstruction from the nuclear family. None more than I noticed this than from 21 convention, who’s early speeches and content between 2011-2014 radically changed my dating life. Now a new generation of self help speakers have emerged one that want to reinstate patriarchy and the nuclear family.  Is this even possible? I argue fuck no. We are in too deep now whichever way you look at it men have an uphill challenge and that hill is turning steeper and steeper as time passes. 

Men of the west complain that women have it too easy. They just need to be fertile, they can take cocks left right and centre. Well in any major European city, US or Canada I don’t really see any reason why any girl a 5/10 or above should be single, in fact I’d argue that the sexual market is just easy for women, any 5 could edit photos of themselves and make themselves into a 7/8 of 10 and match with 1000s of people world wide and get flown out and have shit paid for. It’s the sexual economy we live in now. We need to make do, our brains were never ever EVER meant for this much sexual abundance than before. Even a female 3 probably has more choice online than a male 10 . So what happens for society now? What are the conservatives actually expecting that women will give away their desire to move up the sexual market place and hold their virginities ? And then what – for them to just stand there and for some conservative religious man to approach them and for her to give himself up to her? The entire principle of slut shaming could argue to make no sense because it offers no realistic solutions for solving the dating problem for women and requires them to be self sacrifice for the low probability outcome that a similar conservative man will come out of no where and just marry her off the bat even if he with holds sex and acts religious – in my eyes some women can lose options to more sexual liberated women purely from withholding sex from men – a lot of men dont like this and complain constantly on forums when women give “lmr” or string them along. So its a essentially a catch 22 situation between conservative women and men in this occasion.

Not only is it extremely unlikely, it’s really a pipe dream especially when the bulk of conservative political thought is based on the premise that humans will naturally and instinctively thrive for more and will want to do so and so should be given the freedom to do so.  So if women want better and better cock the liberal view is they should be allowed to have infinite sexual partners in the name of feminise and show off their breasts on tik Tok to their hearts content and settle when they so please – the conservative viewpoint would dictate that natural greed and the lust to maximise profit too will be for-filled by human’s and more often than not at the determent of society or mid-low value men .

For women the right male can be the difference between a life of ease and luxury and a life of extreme poverty. Women are opportunistic lovers and men shouldn’t let their delusion to marry or have LTRs get in the way of simple facts that are at the core of human evolution . So when you see manosphere coaches like Tanner Guzy and Elliot Hulse trying to save the nuclear family by sacrificing themselves dating below par women and telling people to get married young . They are pretty much enticing young men to gamble their lives and futures in the hope that the women they’re dating just happen to be loyal in the long term to them. Is this worth it for the modern man to quit hookup culture and create a nuclear family? I’d argue most probably not. 

The problem with the new gen  “Manosphere” coaches  of the 21 Convention 

• A lack of Respect of the slow maturity of men in the sexual market place.  Encouraging men to date and marry early may mean that men sell themselves short. In fact I’d argue that most men in major western cities sell themselves short nearly all of the time. Even these self help junkies who preach men should focus on their value , I think this is  a 40-50 percent truth men should focus on where in the world they go to maximise their value just like women do. Theres a reason why Russian models absorb cock in New York and London and have Saudi men flying them out for weekends in Riyadh . There’s a reason that I – despite having 0 online lays living in London  prior to living in South America I  was able to bang a Brazilian model in Belo Horizonte from tinder. Men need to think of this first before thinking about marrying just any old western girl – they need to place themselves in position of strength where they will be respected the most, and I think most men are not cognisant of the fact that the grass is indeed greener on the other side and this new generation of manosphere coaches should be pointing men in the same directions that old school pickup coaches like Tom Torereo and Nick Krauser were – the idea of create options and experience to be able to properly differentiate between good quality women who can make good wives or not.  

• A sheer lack of understanding and warning about just how much power women in the sexual market place have –  Yes-men mature slow as fuck and the sooner men realise this the more they realise that “getting married young” and marrying for religions sake is a bad strategy to curtail.  Men need to build their value, enjoy the experiences of the lows and highs of the sexual market place and work hard to find wingmen and create a community where their dating life can flourish. This takes time, and more often than not experience will be the best teacher. Conservative view points on relationships and sex really don’t serve men as men’s value increases much later on in their lives in their 30s and 40s. Simply praying to god or marrying the first girl they date doesn’t change these facts. 

• Trying to restore old beliefs and thoughts that will simply not stack up to the modern day world.  You’re not going to stop tinder, instagram ,online dating and Tik Tok  now these addictive apps aren’t going anywhere if anything women now are being infiltrated by them more and more. The women who hustles at the local coffee shop night and day no longer has to they can open up only fans and live off the monthly yield from that from showing a few pictures of their breasts.  To ask women to sacrifice these benefits for the greater good of humanity is wishful thinking and the growing popularity of only fans, Tik Tok and instagram is proof of this.  The internet , porn  has made men weak and socially retarded for the most part that they are stuck in a rut giving into these women . Thinking simply a conservative viewpoint on marriage and politicising conservative beliefs will change the fact that men are too dopamine-hooked on porn and only fans to care and that women are too fucked on the addictiveness of instagram shows that simply political ideology on the “Right way of doing things” can’t fix an addicted – Tik Tok brain dead generation. 

But where do Liberals Go from here? 

Do we just have boundless sex with no accountability? Do we just wait forever to fuck and never move on from hookup culture. It’s a fair problem that liberals have which I believe conservatives do make a decent point of view. The questions is when? And the answer to that is I have no idea , when men cash out of the sexual market place and bring children in the world it’s a risk whether it be from the first person they date to the last but for a lot of men in the west now having seen other men suffering in LTRs and marriage the appeal is becoming less and less whatever the current conservative viewpoint of the manosphere has. All in all I believe this is bad for the nuclear family, for stability from children’s lives and for people in marriages the stresses and pressures are at an all time high and should women want to leave these situations they will most likely have the kids and a swathe of needy men at their disposable. 

Theres simply too many options for women in todays world and the effects of boundless sexual partners will take its toll on both genders to some degree . I don’t believe boundless fuckboys are at the heart of a lot fo women’s sexual strategy though I do believe a lot of women do want a nuclear family, kids etc. But with the way hookup culture is nowadays this will be delayed due to the fuckboys , the fast pace of the world with people changing their careers and moving about constantly , attention from around the world in a global sexual market place. The end goal will take time for both genders and will likely be just given in is a better situation rather than being alone rather than something which someone truly wants. There’s a definitive right way to do relationships anymore, the overstimulating environment has made loyalty a sign of neglect or neediness and has made constant hookups something to be praised and a sign of continuing confidence. Is this the right way of doing things? It’s really hard to give a firm answer . On the one hand I’m glad for hook up culture- It was about the 7th girl I slept with which I really dated someone that I connected with. With the ultra conservative view points of dating I had failed, it was clear the first few women I dated weren’t suitable for marriage longterm regardless of what my religious or political ideology was – it took be a lot of daygame approaches and trail and error to reach the stage where I would find anyone remotely suitable and I had found more fulfilment in my relationships than before hand thanks to the numerous sexual partners that I’d had (still lower than most in the Pua community but higher than the UK average for men) . But too much devaluing of one other during the dating process- something which I believe online dating  in particular creates can lead to no real feeling of accomplishment or enjoyment in the situation- this is further solidified by the  fall In the share price of bumble – men are leaving the app in droves – it doesn’t even play to women’s instinct of seeking out leadership quality in a man that can approach them it also doesn’t play into their  love of genuine “Romantic love” . Then again people might say Im just being jealous and bitter  – jealous and bitter that I’m not in the top one percent of men and that if I was and was getting loads of matches that id be more positive on the effects of online dating – and that might be it?  Of course there are a lot of women and men that enjoy the online dating game and really relish the benefits from it but alas even as someone who has gotten laid from it – I believe its been an overall negative for men’s dating and self development and one which makes “conservative” or religious theories on dating even more adequate in the modern day. 

With every relationship there will always be risks. You could in the worst case scenario be dating someone who’s just a psychopath and find out in the third  year of dating them. You could marry the first person you dated at school and found out despite it being what your religion and parents  wanted you to do that it ended up being the wrong thing to do . The possibilities and combinations in dating are endless and unpredictable which I’ve addressed in my previous blogs and are something that we just gotta deal with in the long term because well this is life. The hopes and dreams of the conservative nuclear family coming back when tik Tok addiction, instagram, onlyfans are still prominent is just unlikely and the odds of liberal hookup culture and rising divorce rates being an appropriate situation to raise kids is not something I personally think is optimal and I was very lucky that my mother and father stayed together until my father passed. I wouldn’t have been happy to see either with another partner and im glad they stayed loyal to one another  . 

Even the Coaches that say marriage is right are getting divorced 

The divorce of men’s self development coach Tanner Guzy proved to me 2 things- 1. influencers aren’t worth following because they paint a picture of an ideal in life that they’re most likely not achieving – Tanner had some 7 kids and was deeply religious I fully believe that his attachment to religion had created a lot of problems and was probably the core reason as to why he even got a divorce in the first place- this religious delusion had led him to have a seemingly kid after kid with his ex wife- he had a total of  7 and seemingly the workload drove his wife into insanity 2. When religion overtakes rational thought one then really starts potentially having problems with constructing a family and picking an adequte partner and that was the case with Tanner . In fact this was his second divorce- a man of God who seemingly credited religion to his success seemed to refuse to acknowledge that marriage may not be sustainable in the modern world with his own two divorces perhaps being evident of this.

And are these marriage coaches even dating anyone that’s attractive- Jesse Lee Peterson , Tanner Guzy, Richard Cooper, Elliot Hulse all religious mansophere coaches yet don’t seem to be doing much impressive in their dating lives. Conservatism seems to be failing and lets not forget Jordan Peterson’s daughter Mikhaila Peterson fucked Andrew Tate and  divorced his husband and is now onto her second marriage. 

Conservatives Seemingly ignore their own bias  or ignore the overstimulated world we live in that have given women endless options in the sexual marketplace. It’s a problem of gurus today that they seemingly ignore their own hypocrisies or refuse to be self aware of them to say the least – the result?  Hypocrisy or at least a failure to acknowledge their blatant insufficiencies while plugging ideas that simply don’t work in the real world. Had Tanner held out and maybe married a better woman who wouldn’t simply divorce him after 7 kids – or if Mikhaila Peterson had worked on her first marriage properly and not divorced maybe these conservatives won’t seem so moronic – but alas here we are in an era that seemingly doesn’t make much sense . 

Concluding thoughts 

The whole debate between political conservatives and liberals in the manosphere has been over done. One that seemingly blew up with the rise  f figures like Rollo Tomassi and Jordan Peterson.  With the impending change in the direction of the manosphere, the rise of the red pill ,the value of conservative thought has certainly been on the rise the last 5-10 years. Whether or not its made a dent on female behaviour itself is debatable.  

If liberals really think that high body counts and boundless sex lead to a secure environment for humanity to thrive then they’re just being deluded but I have a similar thought with conservatives who think that being loyal to god and self sacrifice alone will provide good security in relationships. You see a lot of men being scammed with Thai wives abroad as one example – loyal honest men getting used for a passport in a similar style to what happened to my brother when he married a Russian woman online . Do divorces like Tanner Guzy’s show what happens when hard work and persistence    come together  and even then it can’t guarantee relationship success . Im all for conservative values of the nuclear family but at the same I don’t want to see my fellow men getting scammed in a relationship and taken to the cleaners in divorce court- why must men gamble with commitment today when they stand to lose so much in divorce? God an’t gonna save you if you lose custody of the kids and he an’t gonna save you if you lose half your shit in divorce that’s for certain. 

So where am I going with this?

I don’t know – I want men to increase their chances of winning in relationships that’s why I write this blog – but relationships have consequences , a lot of the time they are positive (LTRS where men get actual benefits, experience of real life interactions and sex being two big positives )  but sometimes they can be negative (divorce, cheating , trauma etc.) Every approach has a risk – be it humiliation in a blow out, the negative effects of being rejected etc. But we do it anyway because the potential wins out way the loses. Men must be rational – never jump into marriages with financial commitment and must create options for themselves-  creating that relationship security for a family now will take longer than ever – but with perseverance  and hard work   I feel some high value men have a good shot at it .